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Andrew Scheer won Canada with this:

"You seem to be oddly obsessed with provincial politics. There is a vacancy for the Ontario Liberal leadership, and if you are so focused on provincial politics go and run for the leadership of that party Mr. Trudeau."
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flamingfingers wrote:Calm, cool, collected and more intelligent than all the rest put together was Jagmeet Singh.

Singh did do a good job.. problem is, Canada needs a Labour Party, not two Green Party’s. The NDP has lost its way...
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Scheer reminded Trudeau that it had been determined that he acted inappropriately in pressuring then-Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould to pursue a deferred prosecution agreement with SNC-Lavalin. Scheer said, “You looked Canadians in the eye and told Canadians that the allegations in the Globe and Mail were false.”

Trudeau responded, “They were false” despite the findings of the Ethics Commissioner confirming the Globe and Mail‘s report that he and his government acted inappropriately.

Trudeau insists the allegations in the Globe and Mail were false. Odd since he "took responsibility" and stopped saying they were false months ago.
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Drip_Torch wrote:For the life of me... (scratching my head)

I don't understand how they kept mixing up Scheer and Singh's names?

Obviously Scheer was the guy in the blue suit.

At one point Singh stated "I even wore a bright orange turban so you wouldn't confuse me with Mr. Scheer." One of his better lines.
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flamingfingers wrote:Calm, cool, collected and more intelligent than all the rest put together was Jagmeet Singh.


Strong candidate, weak policies. Same as layton and mulcair, decent leaders who were stymied by their own parties platforms.
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Yeah, I'm not keen on paying for everyone's medications and dental work. In a perfect world, these things would be free for all, but I don't think we can afford it. A Canada wide program for buying and dickering for more reasonable prices would help some, but not if it means I have to pay for someone's expensive treatments or dental. Imagine the cost of that for 37 million people!
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Hurtlander wrote: Are you sure we watched the same debate ? I don’t recall Scheer rudely interrupting anyone and talking over them, but understandingly when Scheer was rudely interrupted he did try to hold his ground.

I saw the debate. Got sick and tired of watching all the kids, including Scheer, talking all over each other and not being able to understand a single word. Jagmeet Singh outclassed everyone at the debate from what I saw.
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Silverstarqueen wrote:Yeah, I'm not keen on paying for everyone's medications and dental work. In a perfect world, these things would be free for all, but I don't think we can afford it. A Canada wide program for buying and dickering for more reasonable prices would help some, but not if it means I have to pay for someone's expensive treatments or dental. Imagine the cost of that for 37 million people!


True but also try to imagine the cost when it becomes a health issue and we now do pay for it.
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Bsuds wrote: True but also try to imagine the cost when it becomes a health issue and we now do pay for it.

In the long run we save money when we spend proactively. A healthy population (including teeth) ultimately costs us less.
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That's just it though, I would rather be the one to decide IF I want to pay or not. With pharmacare a person who has been careful with their healthcare and may have very minimal costs, will be on the hook for sometimes very expensive medications or treatments for a person who didn't take care of themselves. I don't feel like paying for someone who has a mouthful of rotten teeth from smoking for 50 years, so they can have a nice smile (as just an example). Many people need more insulin (very expensive) because of the type of diet they eat. I have no control over that. For myself, I can decide whether I want to pay for it , or not. IF it was an optional insurance (I think this is already available if people want it badly), I could be in favor of that, where the people who sign up are covered, but also are responsible for carrying the costs of the program. Not universal where everyone has to pay (usually through taxes).
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Silverstarqueen wrote:That's just it though, I would rather be the one to decide IF I want to pay or not. With pharmacare a person who has been careful with their healthcare and may have very minimal costs, will be on the hook for sometimes very expensive medications or treatments for a person who didn't take care of themselves. I don't feel like paying for someone who has a mouthful of rotten teeth from smoking for 50 years, so they can have a nice smile (as just an example).

I somehow doubt cosmetic dental work will be included with dental care. However, if we can get people into the dentist on a regular basis, including regular cleaning, then we will save massive amounts of tax money down the road. As part of a collective (and as a citizen of Canada you are part of a collective) we all do better when we help each other.
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I think it was a draw, and for an incumbent that's really a win.
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Ka-El wrote:Jagmeet Singh outclassed everyone at the debate from what I saw.

I agree, Singh did compose himself very well, but there’s a great number of Canadians that would like to have the option of voting for a Labour Party, essentially what the NDP used to be. Unfortunately the NDP is now nothing more than a second Green Party, something that literally thousands of private sector trades union members can no longer support... Having said that, I’m pretty sure that Singh has guaranteed himself a solid third place after last evenings debate, he’s by far the best leader on the left.
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Silverstarqueen wrote:That's just it though, I would rather be the one to decide IF I want to pay or not. With pharmacare a person who has been careful with their healthcare and may have very minimal costs, will be on the hook for sometimes very expensive medications or treatments for a person who didn't take care of themselves. I don't feel like paying for someone who has a mouthful of rotten teeth from smoking for 50 years, so they can have a nice smile (as just an example). Many people need more insulin (very expensive) because of the type of diet they eat. I have no control over that. For myself, I can decide whether I want to pay for it , or not. IF it was an optional insurance (I think this is already available if people want it badly), I could be in favor of that, where the people who sign up are covered, but also are responsible for carrying the costs of the program. Not universal where everyone has to pay (usually through taxes).


This line of thought can be carried to all types of healthcare... "It was his choice to go skateboarding, why should I have to pay for his broken wrist", etc, etc. I doubt public dental care would cover cosmetic teeth procedures, same as botox or breast augmentation is not covered currently.

If our overall healthcare system was more focused on preventative health care (better eating, better fitness, healthy teeth and gum to go with things like colon screening), the savings would be dramatic over the long term, I would have to believe.

And prescription medication should have long ago been covered by provincial health care, the fact that it still isn't is a disgrace.

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