Lower voting age to 16?

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CBC radio was asking people how they voted and people were phoning in to give their opinions.

The pro-pipeline is something you may have to give up completely with Jagmeet, is it not? Tho Jaggy did say he would support pipelines while teamed up with the liberals (who you don’t want to vote for) but even they don’t do pipelines well. Without the liberals, I don’t think he likes any pipeline anywhere. He’s wishywashy on LNG, I don’t trust him at all. You’re not anti-fossil fuels are you?
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Jlabute wrote: The pro-pipeline is something you may have to give up completely with Jagmeet, is it not? Tho Jaggy did say he would support pipelines while teamed up with the liberals (who you don’t want to vote for) but even they don’t do pipelines well. Without the liberals, I don’t think he likes any pipeline anywhere. He’s wishywashy on LNG, I don’t trust him at all. You’re not anti-fossil fuels are you?

Being pro-pipeline would be something I would possibly be giving up if I thought the NDP had any chance of forming government. I don’t. However, on the other end of the continuum, any efforts to ram any pipeline anywhere will be met with the same costly Supreme Court challenges as when Harper was alienating First Nations communities. I don’t know, or even trust, that Trudeau is committed to getting a pipeline to tide water, but I do believe he is correct in saying this needs to be done correctly (in collaboration with First Nations) if we really want to see this go through.

I am and I am not anti-fossil fuels. I do believe that in the long term we are going to have to develop alternative energy sources and get us off fossil fuel dependence. However, I am not so naïve as to believe this will take anything less than a couple decades (at least) to accomplish. We are not only dependent on fossil fuels for energy (fuel for vehicles, heat for homes), we are also dependent on its by-products for countless other purposes, some also critical (computer components, for example). We have a long way to go before we no longer have to rely on fossil fuels.

As far as trust goes, I do not trust any of the candidates to follow through with any of their election promises – and that includes Scheer. The Cons have run one of the most dishonest and nastiest campaigns I’ve seen in Canadian history and I am saddened by that. I can appreciate the anti-Trudeau sentiments, and I do believe he somehow needs to be admonished for his poor performance during his last mandate. For that reason, I will not support the Liberals in this election. However, I am not so naïve as to believe Scheer is being honest with anyone either
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Ka-El wrote:Being pro-pipeline would be something I would possibly be giving up if I thought the NDP had any chance of forming government. I don’t. However, on the other end of the continuum, any efforts to ram any pipeline anywhere will be met with the same costly Supreme Court challenges as when Harper was alienating First Nations communities. I don’t know, or even trust, that Trudeau is committed to getting a pipeline to tide water, but I do believe he is correct in saying this needs to be done correctly (in collaboration with First Nations) if we really want to see this go through.

I am and I am not anti-fossil fuels. I do believe that in the long term we are going to have to develop alternative energy sources and get us off fossil fuel dependence. However, I am not so naïve as to believe this will take anything less than a couple decades (at least) to accomplish. We are not only dependent on fossil fuels for energy (fuel for vehicles, heat for homes), we are also dependent on its by-products for countless other purposes, some also critical (computer components, for example). We have a long way to go before we no longer have to rely on fossil fuels.

As far as trust goes, I do not trust any of the candidates to follow through with any of their election promises – and that includes Scheer. The Cons have run one of the most dishonest and nastiest campaigns I’ve seen in Canadian history and I am saddened by that. I can appreciate the anti-Trudeau sentiments, and I do believe he somehow needs to be admonished for his poor performance during his last mandate. For that reason, I will not support the Liberals in this election. However, I am not so naïve as to believe Scheer is being honest with anyone either



Well, I suppose I am pro-oil/gas, but only for as far as it is needed for energy and products seeing there are no reliable alternatives. I think that despite the current party, any superior technology always takes hold and politicians can only watch it happen. Better batteries, Fusion, thorium, what-ever it might be, it will be adopted and can't be stopped. Even if Elizabeth May is in power, and if in the next two decades fusion power becomes a reality, May and her wasted wind turbines would fade to oblivion while the rest of the world pays $0.03/kWh without rolling blackouts and diesel backups. The question is, does the party make it an expensive journey or affordable journey while the long term path is inevitably the same for most of the world. Scheer and Maxine are maybe the least sycophantic UN nut-bars.

I think Canada will be reliant on fossil fuels for more than a few decades, and probably the amount of time required to bring 'fusion' to Canada and electrify heating everywhere and build enough fusion reactors could keep us using gas for at least the next hundred years or more before fusion could begin taking over. Saying that, there is no avoiding fossil fuels for the next few generations... so my vote is to make the process of getting the pipelines in, and doing what we need to do anyways as inexpensively and quickly as possible. I am hoping the conservatives deliver this better, as no other party shows an interest, having clouded vision due to their climate crisis beliefs.

I trust May and Jagmeet will make energy more painful despite not being able to do anything about it. Justin too will make people pay MORE for pollution as he calls it. I think Scheer might have some better approaches. May is quite open about hiring the mafia to drill holes in everyone's gas tank and force the use of skateboards. My mind was totally closed to everything she says, for it could just as well be the Extinction Rebellion talking. lol.

It has been a nasty election, worst I recall. Everyone is so polarized, but that happened recently and maybe a result of Trudeau. He lost me at peoplekind, and so many other things. If I had to chose between Trudeau and Jagmeet, probably Trudeau would be my choice since he is a little more balanced in his energy tortures, and despite McKenna being a laughing stock.


Oh, and yeah, you should be 18 or higher to vote ;-)
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