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Silverstarqueen wrote:
rustled wrote:Caught Jagmeet Singh's interview on CBC radio today and I was disappointed in him but not particularly surprised. He actually sounded more like Trudeau than I think he would have liked to, given how critical he was of Trudeau.


Really? I didn't think Singh sounds anything like Trudeau. I think he will give a good boot in the behind to whichever party gets in (in a polite way of course).

He says what's convenient to his political purposes, depending on the audience.

For example, he told the right-leaning National Post he would work with whatever government is elected:
Singh wouldn’t rule out working with the Conservatives to topple a Trudeau government if the NDP held the most seats in a minority parliament. “I’d be willing to work with anyone to help achieve our values,” he said. “The future’s looking more and more bleak, and I want to get at: how do we build an economy where we all benefit?”

Work with anyone, build an economy where we all benefit.

This morning, while doing a little sidestepping around the question of coalitions, he flat-out told the left-leaning CBC the only party he had ruled out working with is the Conservatives. He is prepared to work with any party to help Canadians, but only to support the values of left-leaning Canadians. While Trudeau met (gasp!) with representatives of the oil and gas sector and (gasp!) bought the pipeline we need for many practical and environmental reasons as well as for the Canadian economy, Singh's primary objective is to shut down the oil and gas sector a.s.a.p.

He doubled down again and again during this morning's interview: he absolutely refuses to work with the Conservatives.

Is this just virtue-signalling to the CBC's usual audience?
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rustled wrote:Work with anyone, build an economy where we all benefit.

This morning, while doing a little sidestepping around the question of coalitions, he flat-out told the left-leaning CBC the only party he had ruled out working with is the Conservatives. He is prepared to work with any party to help Canadians, but only to support the values of left-leaning Canadians. While Trudeau met (gasp!) with representatives of the oil and gas sector and (gasp!) bought the pipeline we need for many practical and environmental reasons as well as for the Canadian economy, Singh's primary objective is to shut down the oil and gas sector a.s.a.p.

He doubled down again and again during this morning's interview: he absolutely refuses to work with the Conservatives.

Is this just virtue-signalling to the CBC's usual audience?


Right now I see either a repeat of 1972 or a repeat of 1979. In 1972 Justin's dad won a minority, and then waited for the political winds to shift where he felt comfortable calling an election, knowing he was in majority country. In 1979 the Conservatives had a fragile coalition with a Quebec party, the Social Credit, and were facing Justin's dad and the block-head Ed Broadbent. Trudeau was able to get Broadbent to take down the government and force another election. Will this happen again, only this time with Trudeau and Singh taking down a Minority Scheer government? We will see.
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rustled wrote:He says what's convenient to his political purposes, depending on the audience.

For example, he told the right-leaning National Post he would work with whatever government is elected:
Singh wouldn’t rule out working with the Conservatives to topple a Trudeau government if the NDP held the most seats in a minority parliament. “I’d be willing to work with anyone to help achieve our values,” he said. “The future’s looking more and more bleak, and I want to get at: how do we build an economy where we all benefit?”

Work with anyone, build an economy where we all benefit.

This morning, while doing a little sidestepping around the question of coalitions, he flat-out told the left-leaning CBC the only party he had ruled out working with is the Conservatives. He is prepared to work with any party to help Canadians, but only to support the values of left-leaning Canadians. While Trudeau met (gasp!) with representatives of the oil and gas sector and (gasp!) bought the pipeline we need for many practical and environmental reasons as well as for the Canadian economy, Singh's primary objective is to shut down the oil and gas sector a.s.a.p.

He doubled down again and again during this morning's interview: he absolutely refuses to work with the Conservatives.

Is this just virtue-signalling to the CBC's usual audience?


I don't know where you've been this election cycle, but Mr. Singh has been very clear about not working with the Conservatives. The article you're referencing was what 2017? Perhaps you've been busy?

We know a lot more about Mr. Scheer, the 13th vote pick of the Conservatives, since then. He's a liar, he's deceived everyone for years about his private sector work experience. He's an American. He's an authoritarian and his intention is to remove section 13 from the purview of the Human Rights Commission. He believes in the supremacy of Parliament over the Supreme Court. Like, who wouldn't want a paperboy/busboy/clerk/career politician second guessing the Supreme Court of Canada.

Where the heck did you get your impression that he wants to shut down the oil and gas sector? That's an outright fabrication. He does however want to offer some relief to those workers that are being displaced from the oil and gas sector. Some options so that they can find their way back into the economy and have some opportunities. Mr. Scheer wants to offer them a tax cut, which is fine, but after the EI runs out, those people that fall through the cracks won't have any taxes to cut.
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I don't know where you've been this election cycle, but Mr. Singh has been very clear about not working with the Conservatives. The article you're referencing was what 2017? Perhaps you've been busy?


So you are saying that Jagmeet is a lot dumber than most have given him credit for. Thanks for that.

We know a lot more about Mr. Scheer, the 13th vote pick of the Conservatives, since then.


Great. And the more I get to know him the more I like him.

He's a liar,


Nope.

he's deceived everyone for years about his private sector work experience.


Nope.

He's an American.


Giant no.

His dad was born in the US. So what? So dumb that people are lying about this to discredit Scheer. Just pathetic.

He's an authoritarian and his intention is to remove section 13 from the purview of the Human Rights Commission.


If this is true, do you know why? He's not an authoritarian, this is nonsense.

He believes in the supremacy of Parliament over the Supreme Court.


So you are saying he believes in the people voting for what the want, as opposed to activist appointees accountable to no one telling us what to do. And thus we never get any pipelines built. You just can't make this crapola up.

Like, who wouldn't want a paperboy/busboy/clerk/career politician second guessing the Supreme Court of Canada.


I realize that this is fear-mongering nonsense, but what else is new.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Mr. Scheer wants to offer them a tax cut, which is fine, but after the EI runs out, those people that fall through the cracks won't have any taxes to cut.

… or services to help them get back on their feet. The last thing we need are more unbelievable promises of cutting taxes while not cutting vital services. Remember "health care where and when you need it"? How's that working out here?
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Jlabute wrote:Maybe. He might be sorry, or it is just how the family does a soft landing in to politics. The whole family is made of activists and are involved in blood feuds. They are each from the same apple bin. Jaghead is a detriment to the NDP party for sikh extremism. Most newspapers covered the same story about his brother. There was no positive way to shine a light on it.


It was 12 years ago. it was not him, it was his brother. Are you held accountable for everything your family did in the past?

You juvenile use of a school yard insult shows exactly where you are coming from.
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Drip_Torch wrote:
rustled wrote:He says what's convenient to his political purposes, depending on the audience.

For example, he told the right-leaning National Post he would work with whatever government is elected:
    Singh wouldn’t rule out working with the Conservatives to topple a Trudeau government if the NDP held the most seats in a minority parliament. “I’d be willing to work with anyone to help achieve our values,” he said. “The future’s looking more and more bleak, and I want to get at: how do we build an economy where we all benefit?”
Work with anyone, build an economy where we all benefit.

This morning, while doing a little sidestepping around the question of coalitions, he flat-out told the left-leaning CBC the only party he had ruled out working with is the Conservatives. He is prepared to work with any party to help Canadians, but only to support the values of left-leaning Canadians. While Trudeau met (gasp!) with representatives of the oil and gas sector and (gasp!) bought the pipeline we need for many practical and environmental reasons as well as for the Canadian economy, Singh's primary objective is to shut down the oil and gas sector a.s.a.p.

He doubled down again and again during this morning's interview: he absolutely refuses to work with the Conservatives.

Is this just virtue-signalling to the CBC's usual audience?


I don't know where you've been this election cycle, but Mr. Singh has been very clear about not working with the Conservatives. The article you're referencing was what 2017? Perhaps you've been busy?

We know a lot more about Mr. Scheer, the 13th vote pick of the Conservatives, since then. He's a liar, he's deceived everyone for years about his private sector work experience. He's an American. He's an authoritarian and his intention is to remove section 13 from the purview of the Human Rights Commission. He believes in the supremacy of Parliament over the Supreme Court. Like, who wouldn't want a paperboy/busboy/clerk/career politician second guessing the Supreme Court of Canada.

Where the heck did you get your impression that he wants to shut down the oil and gas sector? That's an outright fabrication. He does however want to offer some relief to those workers that are being displaced from the oil and gas sector. Some options so that they can find their way back into the economy and have some opportunities. Mr. Scheer wants to offer them a tax cut, which is fine, but after the EI runs out, those people that fall through the cracks won't have any taxes to cut.


So you're telling us that what Jagmeet Singh says as leader of the NDP some 20 months ahead of the election cycle does not have to mesh with what he says during the election cycle. This seems to me to emphasize the hypocrisy it's intended to excuse, but to each their own.

If you believe, after listening to Singh campaign for the environmental and climate-priority vote, the NDP is not planning to do their best to undermine the oil and gas sector, that's your prerogative too. IMO, we should not expect or condone party leaders promising one thing during the campaign and doing another once the election's over. Again, to each their own.

This much should be clear to all of us: Jagmeet Singh will do everything he can to make it much harder for Trudeau to support Canada's oil and gas industry. And Trudeau will likely welcome the excuse not to show more backbone.
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Your first statement is not even close. Mulronney last budget in 93 94 was a 42 billion dollar deficit. In todays dollars that is $74 billion. That was after increasing deficits year after year under the Conservatives.
The Conservatives are also the party that parially deindexed the income tax system so that year after year we pay more taxes . Scheer has made about 12 billion in promises so far and one very vague solution to cover his promises. He is going to look at corporate welfare and cut 1 billion. Only 11 to go. He promises a balanced budget in 4 years but does not say how. Increased GST? More tax cuts for the wealthy (which he already promised) because we know they always pay for themselves. Right? Thats sarcasm btw. Smaller government is the usual Tory mantra but that is all it is. It never happens. That only leaves cuts to government programs which always target the poor.

We have seen this tory program over and over. It has never worked before.

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Yes, and we have also seen that the liberals last 4 years did not work at all. So, we can all agree that Trudeau approached the last election, won on a platform that he didn't get close to making in terms of his budget. Now we talk about not trusting someone else's platform and promise that hasn't even failed yet. Vote for a government that failed so drastically and give that party another try??? who in the right mind would do that you have to wonder? Will the conservatives screw it all up as well? Probably, after all that's our system of allowing them to get away with it. That is exactly why we should not give trudeau even another chance. I do not believe its the parties name that has any influence in the running of things at this time. The people with in that party change regularly and it is those personally that fail, not their name.

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rustled wrote:So you're telling us that what Jagmeet Singh says as leader of the NDP some 10 months ahead of the election cycle does not have to mesh with what he says during the election cycle. This seems to me to emphasize the hypocrisy it's intended to excuse, but to each their own.


What a strange view you have of this. So you're saying because someone didn't rule out working with the conservatives and then did so after the conservatives revealed some of their darker intentions, they're a hypocrite? Wow.

He didn't rule it out then. He has ruled it out now.

The Conservatives have revealed they intend to move the Canadian Embassy in Tel-aviv to Jerusalem. A move that mirrors the other American leader of a country, and one that factored into Joe Clark losing his job as Prime Minister of Canada. (little history lesson there) The Conservatives have also abandoned the international office of human rights and inclusion in favour of an office of religious freedom. What next? Are we going on a crusade?

They are not just dropping Human Rights internationally, take a good hard look at the platform and the vision that's buried deep in there. The conservatives want to drop the rule of law and go with the rule of politicians.

Considering the dystopian offering the conservatives bring to table in this election, I can't imagine it was hard decision behind Jagmeet saying he's not going to work with them. What I can't believe is how many Canadian's have their head in the sand, it's as if they are somehow not a part of society and think they are above all of this.

With regards to oil and gas, wake the duck up and have him take a look at the only other provincial economy in the country that is dragging. Newfoundland and Labrador, hmm weird, don't they have both oil and tidewater?
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Drip_Torch wrote:
rustled wrote:So you're telling us that what Jagmeet Singh says as leader of the NDP some 10 months ahead of the election cycle does not have to mesh with what he says during the election cycle. This seems to me to emphasize the hypocrisy it's intended to excuse, but to each their own.


What a strange view you have of this. So you're saying because someone didn't rule out working with the conservatives and then did so after the conservatives revealed some of their darker intentions, they're a hypocrite? Wow.

He didn't rule it out then. He has ruled it out now.

The Conservatives have revealed they intend to move the Canadian Embassy in Tel-aviv to Jerusalem. A move that mirrors the other American leader of a country, and one that factored into Joe Clark losing his job as Prime Minister of Canada. (little history lesson there) The Conservatives have also abandoned the international office of human rights and inclusion in favour of an office of religious freedom. What next? Are we going on a crusade?

They are not just dropping Human Rights internationally, take a good hard look at the platform and the vision that's buried deep in there. The conservatives want to drop the rule of law and go with the rule of politicians.

Considering the dystopian offering the conservatives bring to table in this election, I can't imagine it was hard decision behind Jagmeet to saying he's not going to work with them. What I can't believe is how many Canadian's have their head in the sand, it's as if they are somehow not a part of society and think they are above all of this.

With regards to oil and gas, wake the duck up and have him take a look at the only other provincial economy in the country that is dragging. Newfoundland and Labrador, hmm weird, don't they have both oil and tidewater?

Meh. While you figure anyone who would vote for Scheer must have their head in the sand etc., I figure the same is true for those who continue to support Trudeau. That's hardly helpful or productive. Chacun son gout.
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This morning on the CBC Jagmeet Singh sounded a lot like Trudeau to me, making big promises, sidestepping and pandering for votes from further left. At the same time he criticized Trudeau for doing much the same. Seems to me a coalition of these very similar leaders would guarantee us another four years during which the Canadian economy is unlikely to improve.
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Looking at polling numbers since Mr. Singh made the announcement. NDP numbers are going up in many ridings , about the same amount as Liberal numbers are going down. Tells me something about Mr. Trudeau's popularity.
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Drip_Torch wrote:[

What a strange view you have of this.


Rustled's view is not strange at all. Her views are actually quite brilliant and insightful, and free of Leftist partisan rhetoric. One of the best posters on Castanet by a mile.

So you're saying because someone didn't rule out working with the conservatives and then did so after the conservatives revealed some of their darker intentions, they're a hypocrite? Wow.


Hypocrite, not very bright, kind of a loser. All those apply. And there were no "darker intentions", that's just silly.

He didn't rule it out then. He has ruled it out now.


If that's indeed too, that's a sad testament to Jagmeet's intelligence, or lack thereof. Just plain shameful.

The Conservatives have revealed they intend to move the Canadian Embassy in Tel-aviv to Jerusalem.


Is this in the platform? Oh what an awesome idea!!! Thank you Conservatives - that is fantastic!!

A move that mirrors the other American leader of a country,


Yes. And what has happened since? Has WW3 broken out, like the idiot Left told us it would?

and one that factored into Joe Clark losing his job as Prime Minister of Canada. (little history lesson there)


Actually what lost Joe Clark his job was Justin's evil dad convincing the dim bulb Broadbent to bring down the Conservatives over their budget. An insanely stupid move that ended up with Justin's evil dad being back in power, and the country suffering mightily for it, especially Alberta. A little history lesson there.

The Conservatives have also abandoned the international office of human rights and inclusion in favour of an office of religious freedom. What next? Are we going on a crusade?


Please explain, without fear-mongering or introducing communist dogma, how this is a bad thing, if indeed what you have written is true

They are not just dropping Human Rights internationally, take a good hard look at the platform and the vision that's buried deep in there. The conservatives want to drop the rule of law and go with the rule of politicians.


Fear-mongering partisan nonsense.

Considering the dystopian offering the conservatives bring to table in this election,


Actually, considering it's NOT dystopian, but actually awesome...yes...

I can't imagine it was hard decision behind Jagmeet saying he's not going to work with them.


I can't either actually. If you aren't bright to start with, you are going to make stupid decisions like this one. Good on ya Jagmeet.

What I can't believe is how many Canadian's have their head in the sand, it's as if they are somehow not a part of society and think they are above all of this.


On this we can agree. 2015 was a disastrous election that was the result of so many Canadians having their head in the sand. It was awful.
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LOL, watching This Hour Has 22 Minutes... In one of Mark Critch’s skits he referred to a Liberal-NDP coalition as A “potluck party of potheads”.
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gordon_as wrote:Looking at polling numbers since Mr. Singh made the announcement. NDP numbers are going up in many ridings , about the same amount as Liberal numbers are going down. Tells me something about Mr. Trudeau's popularity.


Actually, believe it or not, the one aggregate site I looked at shows the Liberals and the Conservatives both falling right now and have for the last 5 days. The Liberals went from 32.9 to 31.1 and Conservatives 33.5 to 32.3. Over the same time period the NDP have gone from 14% to 17%. Strange findings.
Just looked up the CBC aggregate poll and it finds similar results. Since the 10th Liberals went from 33.9 to 31.4 and Conservatives 33.2 to 31.4. Ndp went from 14.7 to 17.4 The Greens basically stable and the Bloq up .4% PPC dropped .4%.

I guess we will see if these polls mean anything in a few more days.

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