Just another reason for a pipeline

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I saw traffic tied up this afternoon on the TCH, east side of Kamloops.
This was why.
https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/K ... ain#329544

Now if that had been a semi and had hit that train, which had dozens of cars of various petrochemical products, that would have been interesting. :200:

I happened to see that train earlier, it was long, at least 2.5 km long and more than half the cars were tankers, all heading for the coast, along the Thompson and Fraser rivers.

I see these trains on the CPR line regularly. The longest I've been able to measure was 3 km long. Many have placards on the side, 1202 diesel, 1203 gasoline plus others.

Those opposed to the pipelines should take a drive into the interior, checking out the trains on the CPR and CNR lines.

One incident on a line and things will be ugly.

Does anyone think rail transport of oil is better than pipeline?
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bb49 wrote:I saw traffic tied up this afternoon on the TCH, east side of Kamloops.
This was why.
https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/K ... ain#329544

Now if that had been a semi and had hit that train, which had dozens of cars of various petrochemical products, that would have been interesting. :200:

I happened to see that train earlier, it was long, at least 2.5 km long and more than half the cars were tankers, all heading for the coast, along the Thompson and Fraser rivers.

I see these trains on the CPR line regularly. The longest I've been able to measure was 3 km long. Many have placards on the side, 1202 diesel, 1203 gasoline plus others.

Those opposed to the pipelines should take a drive into the interior, checking out the trains on the CPR and CNR lines.

One incident on a line and things will be ugly.

Does anyone think rail transport of oil is better than pipeline?
So you'd rather have a leak? Could you imagine 100,000 litres dumped in a residential area (or in Burrard Inlet)?

100,000 litres of ‘sour emulsion’ spilled from northern Alberta pipeline leak
https://globalnews.ca/news/7726992/nort ... -emulsion/
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Was listening to the CBC yesterday morning and they had a prof from SFU on talking about how it's only going to cost money but provide no benefit if the Transmountain pipeline is built to completion.

A lot of the reasoning is that with Enbridge and other projects moving forward the TransX project will only be overkill.

Ever noticed how other participants left the project?
In 2020, three insurance companies, that had previously supported the project, withdrew their support, including Zurich Insurance Group the leading insurer. The company that is advancing the project, says that it still have enough insurance coverage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Mountain_pipeline
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typhoon44 wrote: 100,000 litres of ‘sour emulsion’ spilled from northern Alberta pipeline leak
One rail tanker hold just under 114,000 liters of oil.

That's just ONE!

Imagine a train derailing with hundreds of these. I know they wont all leak but it would only take a few to be a real problem.

I would rather see pipelines.
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anyone who reads data supports pipelines over rail transport of oil:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoo ... -1.5461371
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Don't confuse the issue with facts! :biggrin:
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And this is how brain dead so many have become. They believe, because of the powers to be and their media abilities, that deleting the use of pipelines is the way to the future. To fly the flag of "im important" over ones head, with out having any idea what they have actually done.
This pipeline issue was just used in the US election and now thousand more worth of oil tankers for the railroads were purchased by guess who? Gates and Buffet, who just happens to own the largest railroads. They also have acknowledged they supported Biden and the Dem's. Go figure. So now all that same amount of oil is being shipped via railroad and the rich that supported the Dem's to get it to happen.
And people still feel they supported something meaningful.
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But if we reduce our reliance on oil to safer energy sources don't we reduce the risks of spill from either pipeline or rail?
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typhoon44 wrote: May 29th, 2021, 12:36 pm But if we reduce our reliance on oil to safer energy sources don't we reduce the risks of spill from either pipeline or rail?
Of course we do. But the key words here are if and when.

"Safer" energy sources. I'm sure they gave been discussed elsewhere. The mining of rare earth minerals are a classic example.
There are many pros and cons of these "safer" energy sources.
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Would be interesting to know exactly how much oil production is required to build solar and wind generators. And how much diesel is used to mine the metals used for building them. The machinery used in mining will never be solar powered, not enough efficiency for the energy needed to run them. And.....
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Never say never...

This Elektro eDumper produces more power going down hill to the mill than it takes to get back up the hill to get another load. Never needs a recharge, in fact it produces 10 Kwh of extra energy every round trip.

https://youtu.be/7ikxdFeOQZE?t=8
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Drip_Torch wrote: Jun 7th, 2021, 10:42 pm Never say never...

This Elektro eDumper produces more power going down hill to the mill than it takes to get back up the hill to get another load. Never needs a recharge, in fact it produces 10 Kwh of extra energy every round trip.

https://youtu.be/7ikxdFeOQZE?t=8
Didn't watch the vid but that sounds suspiciously like a perpetual motion machine to me...
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Kroynon wrote: Jun 8th, 2021, 8:44 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Jun 7th, 2021, 10:42 pm Never say never...

This Elektro eDumper produces more power going down hill to the mill than it takes to get back up the hill to get another load. Never needs a recharge, in fact it produces 10 Kwh of extra energy every round trip.

https://youtu.be/7ikxdFeOQZE?t=8
Didn't watch the vid but that sounds suspiciously like a perpetual motion machine to me...
Nope, quite understandable in that it drives uphill using the batteries, gets a load of ore, coasts downhill engaging regenerative braking to recharge the energy used to get up the hill ... while I wouldn't expect it to last forever it's a pretty powerful cycle, unfortunately nothing made by man can fight entropy perfectly ... but mainly it would work as advertised
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It gets more energy than it uses because of gravity and mass. More mass equals more force.
Very few mining operations take ore from higher and bring it lower. It's usually the other way.
So in this instance it's a good idea. In most operations it would not work.
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