16 months to BC election - or this October?

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Only if the skies are clear of smoke, otherwise your vote will not go anywhere.
I wouldn't chance voting by mail, who knows when it will get to its destination.
I think i will stand in line 6ft apart for 3 blocks instead.
I want to make sure my vote against Horgan gets there. :smt045
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Urbane wrote:If Horgan makes the reckless decision to force an unnecessary election during a pandemic many will lose respect for him. We'll see what he decides. Two short excerpts from Vaughn Palmer:
The plan itself came packaged with what looked like an NDP election slogan: “Stronger B.C. for everyone.”

But the launch was as badly fumbled as anything I’ve seen from this government.

The premier’s media conference with Finance Minister Carole James had to be postponed from 1:30 p.m. to 2 p.m. so the briefing material could be corrected.

The key numbers on the key chart on the economic recovery plan did not add up to $1.5 billion or anything like it.

When the corrected material finally arrived, it was a struggle to figure out what was part of the recovery plan, what was repackaged from other initiatives, and what was double counted.
If Horgan turns the economic recovery plan into a springboard for an early election, then partisanship would be back courtesy of himself.

But when he says he has yet to make up his mind, I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. And if he does pull his party back from the brink, he will deserve credit for making the right call in politically tempting circumstances.
Full column: https://vancouversun.com/opinion/column ... 9e5ded0a1/

I guess you have your answer now. :biggrin:

It's simply too much to ask to think Horgan wouldn't confirm himself as being the opportunistic fool that he is.

These current times are an NDP dream, as they can spend like drunken sailors as they always do, only this time it will all be blamed on covid-19.
They didn't have a realistic hope of making good on their budget from the get go, and now they'll do as they please and not give a damn.
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Glacier wrote:The NDP is high in polls because they have been doing a good job with the Covid crisis. All that good will built up is now gone with a totally irresponsible election call.
They've been doing a good job? :135:

Besides Dr. Henry and maybe Dix, what are they doing good at? It's the feds that administered CERB so BC's NDP get no points for that.

All I can think of is that they hired a bunch more teachers to boost the BCTF membership roster, and at a time when some might argue they weren't needed.

They brought us the spec tax, that I'm sure more hate than support, particularly since the far more fitting term would have been wealth tax. I think there are a significant number who won't be forgetting that any time soon, especially knowing the amount will be going up significantly.

Dix did announce some health service improvements for West Kelowna, but the moment I read that bit of news, the first thing that entered my mind was it was an election carrot to try and get an NDP elected in this area. I guess we'll see but it'll take a lot to take Ben Stewart's riding.

Down in the lower mainland, they still haven't got any firm plans in regards to addressing the Massey Tunnel problem after they scrapped the bridge the Liberals proposed.
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Urban Cowboy wrote:Besides Dr. Henry and maybe Dix, what are they doing good at? It's the feds that administered CERB so BC's NDP get no points for that.
They've matched some of the Federal funding which is more than other Provinces have done.

As far as an election being called, we have to learn to live with this virus, the world needs to keep turning, we need to accept that.
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bob vernon wrote:Darn leftists, anyhow! The nerve of them asking us to go and vote. Imposing an election on us. It would be different if we were in New Brunswick or Saskatchewan where a right wing gubment called the election, but this is BC and an NDP gubment called the election. It's a living hell having to vote.
not the same at all. Sask has 140 active cases and NB has 3 active cases. BC got 366 new cases over the weekend alone.

Saskatchewan election date is fixed.

New Brunswick:
On the following Monday, Higgs made an offer to the opposition parties to avoid an election until 2022 or the end of the pandemic; however, negotiations ultimately failed and a snap election was called on August 17, 2020
There is no law/reason to hold one in BC
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There’s little doubt that calling a snap election was politically motivated due to the NDPs current high approval ratings. Obviously, they’d like this opportunity to secure a majority to proceed with a new mandate given the unprecedented circumstances we’re facing with COVID. Given the fact COVID will be with us for a year or two yet means we would have been holding an election in a pandemic even if we waited for next year. There is some sense in coming to the electorate now and saying “this is our direction and our plan for the next four years leading us out of this pandemic” and having us vote on that.
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OKkayak wrote:
Urban Cowboy wrote:Besides Dr. Henry and maybe Dix, what are they doing good at? It's the feds that administered CERB so BC's NDP get no points for that.
They've matched some of the Federal funding which is more than other Provinces have done.

As far as an election being called, we have to learn to live with this virus, the world needs to keep turning, we need to accept that.
Yes and the world would have kept turning just fine for another year, when an election call was actually necessary. One would hope that in a year the danger would be far less, and even if not then we'd have to deal with it, but right now we didn't, and it's all about opportunism for Horgan and his NDP, the health of voters be damned.
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Urban Cowboy wrote: it's all about opportunism for Horgan and his NDP, the health of voters be damned.

Good god , at least wait until after the election to cry about how unfair it was.
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Many in Castanet's "person on the street" interview said that we didn't need an election now and we should wait until "after the Covid virus thing". Will it be finished by next fall? When is the vaccine arriving? If we don't have a vaccine soon, be prepared for a lot more cases, and deaths, over the next year. Getting the election out of the way is opportunistic but also getting the province ready for a greater pandemic. Many people seem to think that Covid is just about finished. It's not. It's getting worse.

New subject: It was amazing in the Castanet "person on the street" interview to see how many people didn't know anything about an election, didn't know who the premier was, and didn't care about the election and didn't plan on voting. Pathetic.
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https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/311193 ... nnecessary

Well of course the Greens are gonna be unhappy, they'll be out the door [icon_lol2.gif]
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gordon_as wrote:
Urban Cowboy wrote: it's all about opportunism for Horgan and his NDP, the health of voters be damned.

Good god , at least wait until after the election to cry about how unfair it was.
Figures that would be your take! I wouldn't expect any better. Time to expand your horizon to take in the big picture.

Only problem is that "after the election" is a bit late, to care about the health and risks taken by those in the highest risk groups. The same groups that have a history of high voter turnout.

Then again it wouldn't shock me in the least if this was part of the overall plan, in that the NDP figures it would benefit if fewer of these went and voted.

Mail in sure as heck isn't a viable option, in these times, where a body has no clue when expected mail will arrive. Any issue at all and Covid-19 is the fallback excuse. I can just picture mail in ballots from strong Liberal ridings disappearing until after the election.
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indianlarry66 wrote:i have to agree it is stupid to have an election now . I will be voting green .
While I agree that it wasn't really necessary to call it now, I'm not sure waiting till next Oct would be any better. Because, by all accounts, the Pandemic will still be ongoing at that time. So, given that, it doesn't really make much difference whether we go to the polls this October or next.

Regardless, I'll be voting NDP this time around (I held my nose and voted Liberal last time, mainly out of fear that the NDP would be too radical. But under Horgan they've been quite moderate, and they haven't been embroiled in all the scandals the Liberals were famous for).

On balance I think Horgan's NDP has done a fairly good job. Naturally I don't agree with everything they've done, or will do, but on the whole I'm fairly satisfied.
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Interesting side note: Dr. Bonnie Henry was hired by the government of BC under a BC Liberal watch.

There are two standouts for me in the NDP as having done a good job, Adrian Dix (surprised the heck out of me), Carole James and Michelle Mungall. Unfortunately, 2 of those 3 are not running for re-election.

The rest of them? From mediocre at best down to just plain awful.

The credit for BC's good response to Dr. Henry, and some to Dix who has had the good sense to back her.

Lana Popham has been her usual looney self, Claire Travena is an unorganized and unmitigated disaster, Ralston is less than useless, Donaldson (thank goodness he isn't running) was always a complete joke, Eby is beyond redemption, Robinson has successfully annoyed a lot of hardworking families...and so it goes. Plus the NDP bench is really thin.

In terms of leadership during a pandemic, Wilkinson is an MD - so that's a plus. The Liberal bench has a good mix of experience and new voices - so that's a plus.

The biggest plus might be Plecas going away regardless of who wins....

Overall, I think it is a really dumb idea to have an election during a pandemic.
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I plan to ask for a vote by mail package - soon and mail it in - soon. No standing in line, no worries about physical distancing. No touching surfaces that may be contaminated.

No problem.
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