BC Ecosocialists

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https://www.bcecosocialists.ca/

Further left than the NDP, greener than the Greens.

We want to make big changes. We’re inspired by people like Greta Thunberg, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, Autumn Peltier, the water protectors at the Unis'tot'en Camps and Standing Rock - people all over the world who are standing up for people and the planet over profits.
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This is what I like about democracies, especially when elections come around and every kook and nut case comes out of the woodwork.

As for this bunch, here's their priorities,
Defund the police. cut law enforcement funding in a city or region to 1997 levels. 
Decolonize. Hmm, seems to be all about UNDRIP & MMIWG.
Green New Deal. Did you know Corporations and wealthy people don't create jobs :200:
Forestry. Blah, blah, blah
Overdose Crisis. More blah, blah, blah.
And the best one of all, and there is some really entertaining reading here. [icon_lol2.gif]
Public Debt and Finance. How are we going to pay for it? By raising taxes and rents on corporations and the wealth. But not before they kick all those evil corporations out of BC. [icon_lol2.gif]

In other words, they will turn BC into their own little communist, Marxist paradise.
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Well, this is what progress is right?
It's going to be funny when current liberals are seen as conservatives in the near future.

If people want to try and create a utopia, power to them! These groups are comprised of mostly people under the age of 25 and therefor will continue to grow as the population ages.

I wish we were able to give them all they want overnight. Remove all the corporations and wealthy folk from Canada, along with the jobs and stability that comes with it. Defund the police by 75, get rid of all guns. Then let them see who is left to build all the affordable housing. Would be interesting to come back to their society and see how the smartest ones that were left create corporations and become rich while leading the new society.

I'd rather live in a society where the luxuries of the wealthiest trickles down to me vs a society where we drag our heels so we all have what the poorest have.
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Sparki55 wrote:Well, this is what progress is right?
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Yes, that's the part I always laugh at the most - that regressive horrible and just plain stupid policies like these can be deemed "progressive". It truly is Orwellian.
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The counsel appears to be ex-greens, yoga teachers, artists, activists, and environmentalists of course, no one who ever had a real job. They have very big hearts though, for themselves and your money. Extreme Anti-capitalistic ideas. They want everything to be funded by the wealthy (a plan which will quickly dry up) They give 94% of BC back to the indigenous so there won't be any business happening here. Obviously not content going down-hill fast enough.

We are all indigenous to earth.

"Abolish billionaires on the first day of our mandate by seizing all wealth exceeding $999,999,999.99 from any person living or doing business in our province."

"Institute rates of marginal inheritance taxation from 0% at amounts under $100,000 to 100% at amounts exceeding $10 million."

Perhaps the eco-socialists and their miniscule following should have their own leased land where they can roam around nature all they like without affecting the other 99%. Not as though they want police or any services. A forested area with no development would be a great starting point for them. They can see for themselves what is required to "build homes".
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Jlabute wrote:Perhaps the eco-socialists and their miniscule following should have their own leased land where they can roam around nature all they like without affecting the other 99%. Not as though they want police or any services. A forested area with no development would be a great starting point for them. They can see for themselves what is required to "build homes".


^^^ This.

I really wish we could pick a great area of land right next to fishing and hunting. Maybe it is 500,000 acres of land (less than .25%). Then let the people who want to remove all wealth live there and see how it works out. They will soon realize that food is hard to grow, doctor services cost ALOT of money and they can't get any homes built.

Just advertise it as a paradise of no cops, no taxes, no billionaires, etc. You want to live like that, sign here and never come back.

It's extremely naive to think that just taking money from wealthy people will support them. You can give a person a fish, or you can teach that person to fish...
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I think a fix for society’s problems lies to the left of where we are now, but not that far left. That’s pretty radical for my taste and isn’t going to get much but fringe support.
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fluffy wrote:I think a fix for society’s problems lies to the left of where we are now, but not that far left. That’s pretty radical for my taste and isn’t going to get much but fringe support.


A look at history and successful societies tell a much different story. Every socialist country has failed.

The consumer—that’s you—has the ultimate power. In effect, you vote with every dollar you spend.

In a socialist economy, the government has the ultimate power. It decides what you get from a limited supply it decides should exist.

Instead of millions of people making millions of decisions about what they want, a few people—government elites—decide what people should have and how much they should pay for it. Not surprisingly, they always get it wrong.


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fluffy wrote:I think a fix for society’s problems lies to the left of where we are now, but not that far left. That’s pretty radical for my taste and isn’t going to get much but fringe support.


This party of extreme idiots is the perfect argument AGAINST proportional representation. Imagine one or two of these dufuses (or is it dufi?) getting enough votes where they get apportioned a riding. Now you have one of the dumbest people in BC being allowed to meddle and screw with every single law, to ensure that it incorporates their backward and insane beliefs. Just nonsensical that anyone would give these people more than two seconds thought. At all.
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fluffy wrote:I think a fix for society’s problems lies to the left of where we are now...


Sparki55 wrote:Every socialist country has failed.


There is a lot of room between where we. Are now and pure socialism. The “Nordic Model” of democratic socialism has a lot going for it. Some of the happiest countries on the planet use that form of government.
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fluffy wrote:
There is a lot of room between where we. Are now and pure socialism. The “Nordic Model” of democratic socialism has a lot going for it. Some of the happiest countries on the planet use that form of government.


Always beware of people who tell you that they are "the happiest", and beware of those taking these measures. Its amazing to me when people come to Canada from these "Nordic model" countries and are amazed at how much money they still have after the taxes are taken off, and that they can now buy things, rather than have the government take most of it. People are supposed to be free, not controlled by the government. No matter what "model" you choose, in the end, socialism just doesn't work.
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fluffy wrote:There is a lot of room between where we. Are now and pure socialism. The “Nordic Model” of democratic socialism has a lot going for it. Some of the happiest countries on the planet use that form of government.


From the video I supplied in an earlier post:

In a 2015 speech at Harvard, Denmark's prime minister took great pains to make this point: "I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with... socialism, therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

So when you point to Denmark as a paragon of socialism, you're really singing the praises of capitalism.


Also, the demographic in these countries allows for policies that work in the way you think it would work here. It had been studied and this is not the case.

The unwillingness of Marxists governments to make changes is likely to mean that philosophical discussions about the implementation of the Nordic model will remain just that: discussions. The inability of developed nations to move beyond vitriolic political rhetoric coupled with their lack of shared culture due to geographically and ethnically diverse populations that lack shared experiences will similarly serve as barriers to implementation of the Nordic model in those countries.


In terms of immigration, Scandinavia attracts a notable influx of newcomers seeking to enjoy generous public benefits. These new arrivals often come from nations that do not have a long, shared history of making decisions on behalf of the common good. While native Scandinavians tend to have a high degree of participation in the workforce as part of their collective decision to support the amenities their society offers, immigrants do not always share this vision. These new arrivals present a significant burden to the system and could, ultimately, result in its demise.


We don't share the same homogeneous society that countries such as those in Scandinavia do. We have so much diversity in Canada, everyone from different demographics using services differently. Some cultures here have entire extended families in one home while others have separate homes for each generation. Due to huge social differences it is hard to plan a government system that works for all. Look at the federal government right now, giving out 100 m only to black people because their mental health is worse than others?! We need our own system to deal with our own unique country.
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fluffy wrote:There is a lot of room between where we. Are now and pure socialism. The “Nordic Model” of democratic socialism has a lot going for it. Some of the happiest countries on the planet use that form of government.


The happy people are the white, blue-eyed Danes that despise other races and cultures.

I did a 6 month tour of duty there, and unless you're a connected, pure Dane, you're lower than pond scum.

Canada, even with its class and racial injustices, is far more accepting and accommodating than Denmark.
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Then what direction does the road to improvement take then? Capitalism has given us a steady decrease in buying power and quality of life for most Canadians going back to the post-war industrial boom of the 50s and 60s.
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