Congratulations to Horgan and the NDP Majority

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^^^ Great post, but personally I'd add one point.

If I have to change my clocks again in the fall of 2021 - that's it, I'm done with John Horgan and the NDP. I'm mean seriously, I'm willing to let it slip this time, but who thought it was a good idea to add one more hour to the year 2020?
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flamingfingers wrote:
How do you come to that assessment, when it's Wilkinson who said we best wait until all votes are counted, before conceding anything?


Does Wilkinson ACTUALLY think that the mail-in vote will materially change the end result? His failing to concede the election last night puts his petulance on full display.

The BC Liberals truly deserve another 4 years in the wilderness to contemplate their future if in fact they have a future in BC politics.


Can't say that I'm surprised at all by the display of double standards, given how far back that goes.

Wilkinson says let's wait until all the votes are counted before conceding (aka putting the cart before the horse) and doing so is "petulance", yet Horgan says basically the same thing after the fact, and he gets praised for being humble (humble ROFLMAO), and a pat on the back so to speak? :135: Talk about giving the gag reflex a workout!

Ever consider simply starting an all things Liberal trashing blog? There's at least a handful here who'd read it. [icon_lol2.gif]
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Urban Cowboy wrote:By my thinking, all it speaks to is the fact that many such as yourself, appear to forget that there's a huge huge difference between a minority government and a majority.

Let's see at the end of four years, of doing whatever the NDP wants, if you still feel they are doing such a good job, with no one having the power to hold them to account.

This Covid-19 will be used as a handy excuse to spend money like drunken sailors, and we well know that math is not, nor has it ever been, an NDP strong suit.

If ever there was a time fitting the phrase "careful what you wish for" then this is it.

Fasten your seatbelts and keep your wallet handy.

Why, everytime we have an election do we worry that the sky is going to fall? Buckle up, careful what you wish for, no accountability. We're doomed! But, of course we're not. Even if this turns out to be the worst government in the history of BC (and honestly, it's unlikely because those are some big corrupt shoes to fill), it is temporary. It's four years and exactly as you said, if I feel the NDP are doing a good job then I will vote for them, if I don't, I won't. That's what democracy is all about.


Quite right they were some big corrupt shoes to fill, but I'll just remind you that they were bought and almost worn out by the NDP, before being handed down to the Liberals.

Even with the stigma of past misdeeds lingering, the Liberals have yet to see anything even remotely close to the 77-2 beating they gave the NDP in 2001.

I dare say a lot of the public simply wants a government that gives everyone a chance to survive, but the fact is we are supposed to learn from history and previous mistakes, yet far too many clearly have short memories.

The NDP had ten years in power and the greatest accomplishment was turning BC into a have not province. That's not the kind of performance anyone wants to see repeated, especially in these turbulent times, which I'm afraid may well be just the kind of climate that fuels another spending frenzy, to be followed by endless tax increases.

It really blows my mind that right now so many act like Horgan can walk on water because of Covid-19, when in reality that's been dealt with by Dr. Henry and Dix, with economic measures unanimously supported by all parties not just Horgan, though that's the way he's trying to sell it, while at the same time these Horgan zealots apparently forgot how he resorted to his "toolbox" as he arrogantly put it, to undermine the TMX. Just how much money in legal fee waste has his stubbornness cost BC so far?

There's somewhat of a difference between "sky is falling" behaviour, and justifiable worry in regards to legitimate concerns, when there's so much history to look at in order to gauge which way things may well go.
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Should we phone a whambulance. wha wha wha
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Speak for yourself. Of course this election will provide "the norm", we RE-elected the incumbent government...which largely speaks to the fact that a plurality of us think they're doing a good job of governing. I definitely did not get the sense in this election that it was a least-of-the-evils choice for a lot of people.[/quote]

You do know there have been recently released studies/polling that show even a slight majority of people vote more for who they are against than for? Do not have to speak for one's self, its more about realizes that most people are now in belief that we have a failure within who we have offering to lead our governments and the system within it.
That's great you are speaking for others and that your belief is you just voted for the best possible human to lead our government. That he is better than anyone could possibly be.
The rest of us expect more out of these clowns, far more action, less debt and not sewering our province for our next generations.
Get ready for such amazing growth, economic prosperity and no more debt. :200:
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This election showcases the great political divide between rural and urban Canada.

It doesn't matter if the election is federal or provincial, rural Canada wants Conservatives and the large city cores want Liberals/ NDP.

Who really supports the country? The people who work in rural resource hubs or the people who work in the city?

If the economy collapsed, the people in the city would all be looking for food while those out in rural parts could survive just fine.

Canadian farmers are already struggling, with net farm income down by more than half from $8.1 billion in 2017 to $3.9 billion in 2018, according to Statistics Canada.


It's crazy that our system has shifted so much due to massive cities that require constant support from the rest of Canada.

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Indeed, the "rural"/urban divide is growing. Not surprising in many ways.

If you look at BC's GDP, "information technology" is now a bigger share than mining and quarrying. "Goods producing", everything from agriculture, mining, to forestry and manufacturing is now only 25% of BC's economy. Given that a lot of the manufacturing/value added portion of the picture is centralized in the urban centers, the divide is even more pronounced. Especially as forestry and other activities have become more automated, there are fewer and fewer workers (votes) involved.

The same is true across Canada. The economic clout of sectors has shifted a whole bunch. Agriculture is a good example. It was 37% of Canada's GDP in the 1870s, and that has slowly declined to today where it is about 5%. (It is about 2% of BC's economy.)

So it is not surprising that we see a shift in politics. The proportion of people (voters) in "rural" areas is smaller, and more involved with actual tangible things, while the urban population with vote power is mostly involved with intangibles - and many are lucky if they know which end of a shovel to hold.
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hobbyguy wrote:Indeed, the "rural"/urban divide is growing. Not surprising in many ways.


Yes, as it gets increasingly easy to move to a city each year and harder to just get by in a rural environment.

hobbyguy wrote:If you look at BC's GDP, "information technology" is now a bigger share than mining and quarrying. "Goods producing", everything from agriculture, mining, to forestry and manufacturing is now only 25% of BC's economy. Given that a lot of the manufacturing/value added portion of the picture is centralized in the urban centers, the divide is even more pronounced. Especially as forestry and other activities have become more automated, there are fewer and fewer workers (votes) involved.


Looking at the actual data 30% of our GDP is real estate, healthcare/ social assistance, and public administration.

Technology and other services only add up to about 25% as well, not many votes there either.

hobbyguy wrote:The same is true across Canada. The economic clout of sectors has shifted a whole bunch. Agriculture is a good example. It was 37% of Canada's GDP in the 1870s, and that has slowly declined to today where it is about 5%. (It is about 2% of BC's economy.)


Yea, so just ignore where our food comes from lol, screw farmers lets buy our food all from other places - that will fit with our carbon footprint goals. :up:

hobbyguy wrote:So it is not surprising that we see a shift in politics. The proportion of people (voters) in "rural" areas is smaller, and more involved with actual tangible things, while the urban population with vote power is mostly involved with intangibles - and many are lucky if they know which end of a shovel to hold.


It's great that we have technology jobs in Canada, I'm not bashing that. What I'm pointing out is that technology jobs are only possible if there are rural areas supplying the people in tech jobs with what they need to live and work - or buy from another country. A society cannot live on "information technology" services alone. If we want to grow that part of the population and have them all vote left to keep the city dream alive, power to everyone! Don't come looking for more money from the class of people that supply the backbone services.


Also, know that voter turnout was an all-time low, only 50% of eligible voters voted. Horgan won 45% of the popular vote. In essence, about 25% of eligible voters, voted NDP.



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As Lily Tomlin is said to have observed, “No matter how cynical you get, you can’t keep up.”

When it comes to performing the ethical limbo dance, leftists are master choreographers, so congratulations to the NDP on winning their inappropriately called election. That NDP knife in the back of the Greens should serve to remind the novices that they have much more to learn at the feet of the old masters. Getting and keeping power is everything, Grasshoppers.

It might not have tipped the scales, but Wilkinson could at least have neutralized some of Horgan’s unfair advantage by doubling the Dipper’s thousand dollar election bribe. Against more principled opponents, that would look bad, but Wilkinson had the luxury of turning Horgan’s absurd claim that he wasn’t “just throwing money to try and buy votes” against him. The only way that Horgan’s claim makes sense is if you add: ‘It isn’t just cash; we’re also putting bridges, hospitals and other spending on the table. For NDP friendly districts, no bribe is too costly.’

Enjoy your new government, lefties. It’s just a shame that not everyone deserves it as much as you do. :130:

Postscript: Before the next election, the Libs should consider making a few improvements to their brand, starting with a name change. It’s rather annoying to have to put an X beside a candidate representing a party with a name that has both federally and provincially become synonymous with corruption and incompetence.

The BC Freedom Party has a nice ring to it, and the name would give the party something to aspire to. :up:
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Blah,blah, blah. Horgan,.... Where's my $1000.00 ? My car insurance is coming due :biggrin:

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