After the fires

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bigtimeoperations wrote: Aug 18th, 2021, 5:26 pm You can definitely notice that parts of the 2003 Okanagan fire zone aren't growing back very well. Areas to the north of the east-west stretch of Gillard FSR, Johns Family Regional Park, and near the Arthon gravel pit, have very few new trees growing in areas that were fairly thick forest before the fire. Its been 18 years, surely there should be more trees growing back than that, even if they were still very small.
Sections of okanagan mountain are very rocky and steep with limited soil. It will take longer for the forests to rejuvenate in those areas compared to other locations of the burn scar. These hot and dry summers that we've been experiencing are likely adding to the difficulty that new seedlings in those rocky areas face.
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Catsumi wrote: Aug 14th, 2021, 9:16 pm Predictions of what may happen to our forests after the fires

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/342777 ... -ecologist
Complete and utter alarmist Bull Crap!

The province has burned many times over, and it came back. In fact, the glaciers scraped the top soil off, and it all came back.

It takes 50 years for pine to come back and more like 100 years if Douglas fir to come back, but no matter what, it comes back as healthy as ever.

Here is a forest that burned in 1961 on the Chilcotin plateau... yup, it's back. note that the logs laying down are burnt, and have been sitting there for half a century. No deadfall because of fire. If you go to places with no fire in 100 years, there's deadfall everywhere, and it's what causes the massive fires.
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Glacier wrote: Aug 21st, 2021, 12:34 pm
Catsumi wrote: Aug 14th, 2021, 9:16 pm Predictions of what may happen to our forests after the fires

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/342777 ... -ecologist
Complete and utter alarmist Bull Crap!

The province has burned many times over, and it came back. In fact, the glaciers scraped the top soil off, and it all came back.

It takes 50 years for pine to come back and more like 100 years if Douglas fir to come back, but no matter what, it comes back as healthy as ever.

Here is a forest that burned in 1961 on the Chilcotin plateau... yup, it's back. note that the logs laying down are burnt, and have been sitting there for half a century. No deadfall because of fire. If you go to places with no fire in 100 years, there's deadfall everywhere, and it's what causes the massive fires.

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Nope. Grasslands are the result of a change in climate. Repeat burns, reduced water, changes the ecosystem. The desert creeps north
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tsayta wrote: Aug 21st, 2021, 8:54 pm
Glacier wrote: Aug 21st, 2021, 12:34 pm

Complete and utter alarmist Bull Crap!

The province has burned many times over, and it came back. In fact, the glaciers scraped the top soil off, and it all came back.

It takes 50 years for pine to come back and more like 100 years if Douglas fir to come back, but no matter what, it comes back as healthy as ever.

Here is a forest that burned in 1961 on the Chilcotin plateau... yup, it's back. note that the logs laying down are burnt, and have been sitting there for half a century. No deadfall because of fire. If you go to places with no fire in 100 years, there's deadfall everywhere, and it's what causes the massive fires.

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Nope. Grasslands are the result of a change in climate. Repeat burns, reduced water, changes the ecosystem. The desert creeps north
"Regular wildfires shape the makeup of vegetation by suppressing woody plants and favoring grasses. Because their growth structure is situated at or below the ground, and because fire moves quickly through grasslands, most grasses tolerate fire or even proliferate after a fire. Without fire, shrubs and trees would take over grasslands, effectively converting them to forest, and non-native vegetation would spread."

https://www.nps.gov/articles/grassland-fire-brief.htm
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There are FAR fewer grasslands in BC today than 50 years ago when my mom moved to BC. The forest has been encroaching on the grasslands... The fires this year as well as the ones in 2017 will help bring back the lost grasslands.
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Glacier wrote: Aug 21st, 2021, 11:04 pm There are FAR fewer grasslands in BC today than 50 years ago when my mom moved to BC. The forest has been encroaching on the grasslands... The fires this year as well as the ones in 2017 will help bring back the lost grasslands.
This is correct. We've been losing grasslands for decades because of fire suppression.

BC's grasslands are shrinking - climate change has actually seen less grasslands. Also, grasslands are not desserts.
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