Canadian Wildfire Season - 2024

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binky11 wrote: Apr 20th, 2024, 6:31 pm
JamesBilodeau wrote: Apr 15th, 2024, 4:50 pm Only April and folks are panicking. Fear the heat!! Fear the summer!
The funny think about all this cli9mate change crap is that the rich have not stopped what the rich do.
The only crisis there is affects the poor only. Go figure.
It’s April 20 and we have three fires burning out of control, Lytton, Kamloops and Oliver. And one power plant that services from Summerland to Kelowna that is always in danger every summer. Do you have any idea what would happen if that burned? And it almost did. All people living in residential buildings would have to evacuate after ten days as that is only how long the water plants generator will work. I would think a small degree of panic will be soon on the horizon. NEVER have we had three out of control fires burning in the okanagan in April.
Love that fear mongering. Yes there are fires burning that are MAN MADE!!! Gotta love that rain too! Enough of the damned rhettoric from lefties.
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JamesBilodeau wrote: May 20th, 2024, 7:09 am
binky11 wrote: Apr 20th, 2024, 6:31 pm

It’s April 20 and we have three fires burning out of control, Lytton, Kamloops and Oliver. And one power plant that services from Summerland to Kelowna that is always in danger every summer. Do you have any idea what would happen if that burned? And it almost did. All people living in residential buildings would have to evacuate after ten days as that is only how long the water plants generator will work. I would think a small degree of panic will be soon on the horizon. NEVER have we had three out of control fires burning in the okanagan in April.
Love that fear mongering. Yes there are fires burning that are MAN MADE!!! Gotta love that rain too! Enough of the damned rhettoric from lefties.
Worth noting all three fires you mentioned were
Human caused.
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Fanboy wrote: May 19th, 2024, 2:55 pm
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The vancouver island stat was not about the time of year, which you are correct about, it was about the stat itself.

Like I said, the data last year, for Canada not just BC, did seem to adjust in fall. So either ALL the fires after July were natural or something was amiss. Believe what you want,...
Perhaps I'm missing your point? Which stat are you talking about and how does it give rise to the doubt you're experiencing? Is it the BC stat that reports on a specific day in June, 17 of the 100 active fires were human caused, or the Vancouver Island stat reporting the fact that all wildfires to that date (on Vancouver Island) were human caused?

Our spring fire bust does tend to be human caused. More often than not someone purposely and legally burning caught by a surprise weather shift they weren't prepared for. Lightning isn't as big a factor in the spring, because for the majority of the Province lightning is a rarity in the spring and the ridge tops, where it tends to hit more often, are still under the influence of snow melt.

Come July, when lightning storms start happening and the ridge tops are no longer under snow - we tend to have more lightning starts. Off the cuff, right now BCWS is showing 11 wildfires started by lightning and all of them are in the Northeast. I doubt we've experienced much more than a few hundred lightning strikes so far this year. Come mid-July, when we can experience thousands of lightning strikes per day, I would expect the lightning caused fires to increase in numbers. Wouldn't you?

It all seems pretty self evident to me.
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Drip_Torch wrote: May 20th, 2024, 1:07 pm
Perhaps I'm missing your point? Which stat are you talking about and how does it give rise to the doubt you're experiencing? Is it the BC stat that reports on a specific day in June, 17 of the 100 active fires were human caused, or the Vancouver Island stat reporting the fact that all wildfires to that date (on Vancouver Island) were human caused?

Our spring fire bust does tend to be human caused. More often than not someone purposely and legally burning caught by a surprise weather shift they weren't prepared for. Lightning isn't as big a factor in the spring, because for the majority of the Province lightning is a rarity in the spring and the ridge tops, where it tends to hit more often, are still under the influence of snow melt.

Come July, when lightning storms start happening and the ridge tops are no longer under snow - we tend to have more lightning starts. Off the cuff, right now BCWS is showing 11 wildfires started by lightning and all of them are in the Northeast. I doubt we've experienced much more than a few hundred lightning strikes so far this year. Come mid-July, when we can experience thousands of lightning strikes per day, I would expect the lightning caused fires to increase in numbers. Wouldn't you?

It all seems pretty self evident to me.
Already said you were correct on this point. Reread my statement about the summer season.
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Boy, throw out the numbers and stats and the lefties gobble it up and take it like its a bible.
So all the lightning caused fires are completely normal. Arson is still the leading cause , don't care what anyone thinks. Trudeau will push this anyway he can. He has no problem doing Canada dirty . Look out for him to usurp power in the name of climate change.
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JamesBilodeau wrote: May 21st, 2024, 6:08 am Boy, throw out the numbers and stats and the lefties gobble it up and take it like its a bible.
So all the lightning caused fires are completely normal. Arson is still the leading cause , don't care what anyone thinks. Trudeau will push this anyway he can. He has no problem doing Canada dirty . Look out for him to usurp power in the name of climate change.
"Human caused" is not the same as "arson". Obviously there's arson going on, and some of it seems awfully connected to federal/provincial government actors, but most "human caused" is accidental from industry, particularly railroads.

As for statistics, the actual statistics show that "human caused" wildfires in BC are minor, and are only the dominant cause during years of low wildfire activity. During bad years, that proportion shrinks significantly because most of those wildfires are lightning-caused.

The real problem is that the provincial government has monopolized all wildfire mitigation and response activity under the BCWS, and the BCWS is an ongoing failure now from the managerial position. The people making strategic decisions for the BCWS have no idea how things work on the grassroots level, and the provincial government, especially under that traitor Eby, refuses to properly fund BCWS operations DELIBERATELY in order to micromanage what they actually do on the ground level to benefit certain demographics over others (particularly FN band land over the rest of the rural BC population, since the Vancouver/Victoria bourgeoisie act like we don't even exist).

It's not hard to figure out what is going on when Eby allowed north east BC to burn over winter in record wildfires because he couldn't bridge the BCWS funding gap of a few hundred million, but he managed to find billions to preserve FN band woodlots and $30 billion for BC Hydro. Oh wait, north eastern BC is where we have oil and natural gas production and all that investment is running away from BC now. Gee, I wonder if there is a conflict of interest there when Eby is basically the chairman of the Crown corporation rival to that industry.

The bottom line is that wildfire response in BC is a partisan political issue now. This is outright absurd considering the vast existential threat wildfires pose, not just to our communities and industry, but especially wildlife populations. And the "climate change" narrative is utter nonsense, and national wildfire data, when graphed out, doesn't correlate to that narrative when all wildfire activity was dropping since the 1980s... until the mid-2010s, when all of a sudden large wildfires spiked upwards, right around the same time everything started going woke in this country.
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Interesting post ^^^^^^
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shadowplayer wrote: Jun 11th, 2024, 2:00 pm The bottom line is that wildfire response in BC is a partisan political issue now. This is outright absurd considering the vast existential threat wildfires pose, not just to our communities and industry, but especially wildlife populations. And the "climate change" narrative is utter nonsense, and national wildfire data, when graphed out, doesn't correlate to that narrative when all wildfire activity was dropping since the 1980s... until the mid-2010s, when all of a sudden large wildfires spiked upwards, right around the same time everything started going woke in this country.
Ugh huh... Now do Alberta, Sask and Ontario.

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Drip_Torch wrote: Jun 11th, 2024, 9:18 pm
shadowplayer wrote: Jun 11th, 2024, 2:00 pm The bottom line is that wildfire response in BC is a partisan political issue now. This is outright absurd considering the vast existential threat wildfires pose, not just to our communities and industry, but especially wildlife populations. And the "climate change" narrative is utter nonsense, and national wildfire data, when graphed out, doesn't correlate to that narrative when all wildfire activity was dropping since the 1980s... until the mid-2010s, when all of a sudden large wildfires spiked upwards, right around the same time everything started going woke in this country.
Ugh huh... Now do Alberta, Sask and Ontario.

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The dataset is the National Fire Database published by Natural Resources Canada. It contains all wildfires across Canada from 1940-2021. I am talking about actual figures for all provinces; the only notable difference with BC is that it has always had the vast majority of ignitions reported, but this proportion actually dropped significantly over the last few decades to the point where Alberta actually had more ignitions in the 2010s. Aside from that, there is a clear trend that larger wildfires used to be in the Prairie provinces (and NWT), but they now dominate in BC starting about a decade ago.

"Global warming" as a cause for wildfires is a total hoax and the reason why is because it is used to justify a grift of propping up "green" business and technology that most people cannot adapt to (ie. coerced into buying an EV car), and which is mostly funded with obscene amounts of tax dollars that leads to further inflation.

Here's two series of graphs: left side is Canada 1940-2021, right side is BC 2010-2021.
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With the Canada data, it has to be understood that the 1980s is when the data reporting became standardized, and thus this rising hump between 1940 does not necessary show increase in activity but rather incomplete data. The important thing is that one can clearly see a decline in all activity between the 1980s and 2000s, so three decades of decline of total wildfires (ignitions), large wildfires, and burn area. How can "global warming" that they keep blaming for wildfires be causing worse wildfire activity when the data shows this decline of wildfire activity over the same time period of the "global warming"? It's absurd, and the opposite of reality. What is even more important is that large fires and burn area go up in the mid-2010s while ignitions continue to drop, so again, the climate isn't starting wildfires, the wildfires that are starting are being allowed to burn. It's clear as day.

The BC graphs again show serious discrepancies. Look at 2017 and 2018, really bad years for wildfires in BC in terms of burn area, and up until them, sometimes even more ignitions with far less large fires or burn area.
What changed? DEI initiatives began to be heavily pushed all over BC around 2015-2016. Look at ignition counts and 2017 has less ignitions than other years with minimal large fires or burn area!

Look at 2019 and 2020: far less ignitions and few large fires and minimal burn area, almost like people saw what happened in the previous years and didn't want to repeat it. Look at 2021, the fires were crazy again. What happened in 2021? Oh yeah, vaxx mandates with the BC Public Service, including BCWS and firefighting departments.

I'm sick and tired of watching my province burn down because of insane political agendas.
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