Poilievre says the next Canadian election will be about the carbon price

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Of course it is. It's the easiest thing to implement for his party and he will be praised by his base endlessly for it.

Prices will slightly dip for a month and everyone will rejoice.

Then all the corporations, and gas & oil companies will just jack their prices up to where the tax had it previously, cause they know that wasn't quite the breaking point for us and we'll pay it. And everyone continue fighting each other about it rather than direct the anger where it's appropriate - the elite class and corporations.
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Not-a-Bot wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 2:55 pm Of course it is. It's the easiest thing to implement for his party and he will be praised by his base endlessly for it.

Prices will slightly dip for a month and everyone will rejoice.

Then all the corporations, and gas & oil companies will just jack their prices up to where the tax had it previously, cause they know that wasn't quite the breaking point for us and we'll pay it. And everyone continue fighting each other about it rather than direct the anger where it's appropriate - the elite class and corporations.
Most conservative voters aren't smart enough to understand this. They don't understand that the carbon tax hasn't raised the price of gas at all, it simply took part of the proceeds from the sale of gas and put it back into the hands of people who are affected by it the most. But ultimately it was to force big companies to deal with carbon emissions in a more sustainable way.

Just goes straight over their tiny heads. Right wing good, Left wing bad. Must hate all Liberal policies and throw all Liberal politicians in jail. Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it...because it's the same playbook Trump has been using the past decade. Poilievre has been sewing division ever since he was high-fiving the people blocking the Ambassador Bridge and Coutts border and all the leaders of the freedom convoy who were planning to take over the government by force. He loved watching Canada burn and he tells us every day that Canada is the worst place in the world to live.

I just can't get behind that type of politician, regardless of his policies.
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Forget about those FAKE bit coins.
Forget about freedom - give us DEMOCRACY.
A Proportional ballot will separating the party vote from the candidate vote.
it's like using two ballots.
The popular vote award the parties the seats they should have, and -
The candidates get the Member of Parliament they should have.
Everybody wins !!!
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Nedroj wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:06 pm He added 6.7 trillion to the national debt, not 8.
Barack Obama added 7.6 trillion to the national debt.
Biden added 4.7 trillion

so dont be casting stones too quickly.
So Trump was able to do in 4 years almost the same as Obama did in 8? Impressive!
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No wonder Canada is a basket case - there's actually people arguing for MORE taxes. Not only that, they call people stupid and resort to name calling. Looking at you Danielson99.

If you can't understand that the carbon tax increases the price of everything along every step of the supply chain, well, I'm sorry for you. You are more than welcome to send the government some extra money if you feel that strongly about it.
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I watched his speech today. Excellent. Can he do it all? Questionable.

My beef with the carbon tax is Trudeau etal loved to spew on about "fighting climate change" via the carbon tax. But where are any data that show any reduction in gasoline or natural gas consumption or emissions directly related to the carbon tax? It's basically a wealth redistribution program, so dear to socialist hearts.

Let's not get duped by liberal double talk into believing that the carbon tax is addressing climate change in a meaningful way.
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BigTun wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:16 pm No wonder Canada is a basket case - there's actually people arguing for MORE taxes. Not only that, they call people stupid and resort to name calling. Looking at you Danielson99.

If you can't understand that the carbon tax increases the price of everything along every step of the supply chain, well, I'm sorry for you. You are more than welcome to send the government some extra money if you feel that strongly about it.
If there was no carbon tax our gas would be the same price. Riddle me that TunTun. Explain to me how the cost of everything would go down if the carbon tax was lower or non-existent. You can't. Thanks for trying though.

I've never said I want more taxes, those are your false words. I was simply stating that if the carbon tax goes away, the price of gas will creep right back to where it was. That is just a fact and it completely negates any argument against the carbon tax you have.
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Lumby Glen wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:19 pm I watched his speech today. Excellent. Can he do it all? Questionable.

My beef with the carbon tax is Trudeau etal loved to spew on about "fighting climate change" via the carbon tax. But where are any data that show any reduction in gasoline or natural gas consumption or emissions directly related to the carbon tax? It's basically a wealth redistribution program, so dear to socialist hearts.

Let's not get duped by liberal double talk into believing that the carbon tax is addressing climate change in a meaningful way.
Yes, let's just sit in an online forum and pretend that the carbon tax has done nothing without having even the slightest clue what effect it has actually had.

Either the money get redistributed to people who need it more or it goes into the pockets of the elite. There is no other option.
I'd rather have lower taxes myself and way less people becoming billionaires. The middle class is eroded because we allowed it to become this way. Poilievre will only make it worse as he's nothing more than a shill for big corporations and the 1% and we all know that.
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The Canadian press. nothing more than Trudeau loving Liberal shills. I hope they get defunded when Poilievre gets in. CBC as well. Garbage propaganda.
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Danielson99 wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:27 pm
Lumby Glen wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:19 pm I watched his speech today. Excellent. Can he do it all? Questionable.

My beef with the carbon tax is Trudeau etal loved to spew on about "fighting climate change" via the carbon tax. But where are any data that show any reduction in gasoline or natural gas consumption or emissions directly related to the carbon tax? It's basically a wealth redistribution program, so dear to socialist hearts.

Let's not get duped by liberal double talk into believing that the carbon tax is addressing climate change in a meaningful way.
Yes, let's just sit in an online forum and pretend that the carbon tax has done nothing without having even the slightest clue what effect it has actually had.

Either the money get redistributed to people who need it more or it goes into the pockets of the elite. There is no other option.
I'd rather have lower taxes myself and way less people becoming billionaires. The middle class is eroded because we allowed it to become this way. Poilievre will only make it worse as he's nothing more than a shill for big corporations and the 1% and we all know that.
Pierre Poilievre is a multi millionaire that has NEVER, I repeat 𝐍𝐄𝐕𝐄𝐑, held a full-time job in his entire adult life.
He came to a town meeting and spewed about "hard earned paycheque" and "tax burdens" .... it was enough to make a cat laugh.
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Danielson99 wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:12 pm
Most conservative voters aren't smart enough to understand this. They don't understand that the carbon tax hasn't raised the price of gas at all
I wouldn't question the intelligence of others, and then follow it up with the claim that a TAX ON GASOLINE doesn't raise the COST of gasoline.
Danielson99 wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:12 pm it simply took part of the proceeds from the sale of gas and put it back into the hands of people who are affected by it the most.
Did Katie authorize you to admit, to all in sundry, that the carbon tax has nothing to do with the environment, and is just an elaborate wealth redistribution scheme?
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Yes, let's just sit in an online forum and pretend that the carbon tax has done nothing without having even the slightest clue what effect it has actually had.

I'm not pretending anything. I'm simply saying: where's the data. What effect has it had on emissions?

The pretending that's going on is a delusional, disingenuous government that wants us to believe it's "fighting climate change". If we want to have a feel good wealth redistribution program, let's call it that and not use smoke and mirrors on people.
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Pierre Poilievre will fix it all!!
1) end crime.. good luck
2) bring down housing prices.. we shall see
3) Freedom.. live in free country now
4) Carbon tax? where will all those $$ come from? cuts?
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WinkDinkerson wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:48 pm
Danielson99 wrote: Jan 9th, 2025, 3:27 pm

Yes, let's just sit in an online forum and pretend that the carbon tax has done nothing without having even the slightest clue what effect it has actually had.

Either the money get redistributed to people who need it more or it goes into the pockets of the elite. There is no other option.
I'd rather have lower taxes myself and way less people becoming billionaires. The middle class is eroded because we allowed it to become this way. Poilievre will only make it worse as he's nothing more than a shill for big corporations and the 1% and we all know that.
Pierre Poilievre is a multi millionaire that has NEVER, I repeat 𝐍𝐄𝐕𝐄𝐑, held a full-time job in his entire adult life.
He came to a town meeting and spewed about "hard earned paycheque" and "tax burdens" .... it was enough to make a cat laugh.
Every sentiment here is worth repeating and I would like to add that Poilievre is also one of the confused without any actual idea of the long term benefits of fighting climate change. Like a horse with blinders on he will be steered through the truth to whatever destination his billionaire handlers chose. Ultimately to the downfall of Canada.

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