V.O.A.R. 98.9 FM

[sooperphreek]

i think the dont listen to it if you dont want to angle is a fair one. any christian music station is no better than secular ones in the long run. there is promotion of artists and a monetary bottom line for the producers and the stations. so what you will get is the latest and greatest stuffed down your throat. and then you will get the million different versions by the million different artists of the same old song because they all pay the licencing and royalties for that same song. and then you will get the eager make me puke "i love you so much god ure the best look at me" but had an affair on my spouse like amy grant and sandy patti icons of the christian music industry did. then there is the perverse notion that the only surefire way to worship god is through song. how moronic is that??? so the lifting up and building up is just personal satisfaction. what a joke!! does god really get the glory for these songs? if humans are a spec of dust in gods universe then how much more molecular would these songs made for him be??? anyways i guess what im trying to say is that the bottom line is about money no matter what station it is. so buyer beware and change the channel.

[happylada]

Snip "somehow I doubt that Christians would be tolerant of a non theist radio station or Television channel. I could be and hope I am wrong, of course there are many exceptions to virtually everything, but the truth remains that many religious people would be very offended by someone on the radio stating with conviction that god does not exist, the world was not created in six days, ten thousand years ago by The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Yahweh, Allah, Buhda, Zeus, Ganesha, and or Thor."

I don't mean to be rude, but what planet do you live on? The Christian culture, belief and traditions are openly and enthusiastically assaulted at every opportunity. National Geographic TV, etc., and others continuously put down Christians and their origin views as being at best simple and at the worst evil (Dawkins) . Cartoons indoctrinate kids in anti-Christian philosophy. Occult themes are now OK. MTV systematically erodes the concept of chastity, and programs like Sin City and Family Business are sorry excuses for promoting pornography. If Christianity is mentioned in the media, its almost always condescending if not derisive. Notwithstanding, there are some notable exceptions.

So some facts: this city was first a Catholic Mission. This nation's first immigrants were Hugenots from France. At the Plains of Abraham battle - the losing French (Catholic) let the victors (Protestant) use their church to thank God for their victory. This country was named the "Dominion" of Canada at the suggestion of Sir Tilley, who had read in his morning devotions that "His (God's) Dominion shall be from sea to sea". The other Fathers of Confederation thought that it was providential and adopted it. Our Parliament buildings have scripture verses chiseled into the stone everywhere you look. The first schools and universities in this country were paid for and staffed by Christians. Our beliefs were respected even if they weren't enshrined in law. In a way, I'm saying we were here first, and the country prospered based on Christian values. "You really can’t understand Canada until you understand the central role the Christian faith had in the founding and shaping of Canada." ( Bran Stiller, http://www.brianstiller.com/viewsample.php?bookid=12)

Over the past 50 years or more, we've been gradually dispossessed. Our tax dollars are used to kill babies, our government has supported terrorist activity against Israel with our tax dollars, and anti-god, anti-marriage art and films have been financed with our tax dollars. Sundays are just another day to do business. We've made Adam and Steve equal to Adam and Eve. Our schools teach atheism in the disguise of the evolutionary myth, and in this province we aren't even allowed to point out the evolutionary emperor has no clothes on.

For years Christians were banned from having a radio or TV station to share their message, even if it was only with each other. So the favorite whipping boy now has a radio station - how can that harm anyone? Its not pervasive, I don't have to walk past it to use a sidewalk like the outdoor cafes with their blaring music.

It absolutely baffles me that anyone would even question the right to broadcast music and programs that promote solid family values, educates people on the message of the Bible, the foundation of our civilization.

For those who wish there's an off button.

[hellomynameis]

I hope the Christians in Kelowna enjoy the new station.
Hopefully it does not turn out to be a another top 40, albiet Christian music, I cannot stand the top forty stations like power 104 and Q-fm, though they are prertty good as a at-work stations but drive me crazy otherwise.
The only radio station I listen to is CBC radio one they play music that is 'uncommon' and usually top quality: be it 30's to modern, rock to native American chant. Besides the music they air great documentaries and discussion/idea themed broadcasts. Religion? I've heard positive programs on all the worlds major religions + atheism. Its great, the only knock I've heard against them, and I would have to agree, is the news broadcast can be slightly biased to the 'left', however imo everything you will find out there will be biased one way or another and it doesn't take too many brain cells to filter through it.

Not that I want to be a CBC fanboy or anything but I have yet to find another station that offers the same calibre of quality programs and variety as radio one.

[happylada]

..... and then you will get the eager make me puke "i love you so much god ure the best look at me" but had an affair on my spouse like amy grant and sandy patti icons of the christiathenn music industry did.

Just goes to show once again that Christians aren't perfect, but they are forgiven.

.....there is the perverse notion that the only surefire way to worship god is through song. how moronic is that??? so the lifting up and building up is just personal satisfaction. what a joke!! does god really get the glory for these songs?

Well, for starters, God made it very clear that we WERE to worship Him in song. And dance. and with a shout. And if He thinks its a good idea, I doubt your opinion will change much. To answer your question, probably!!

.....if humans are a spec of dust in gods universe then how much more molecular would these songs made for him be??? anyways i guess what im trying to say is that the bottom line is about money no matter what station it is. so buyer beware and change the channel.

Well, this is the one channel in the city that doesn't have advertising quotas, etc. It's mostly listener supported, and the ballance comes from the sponsoring denomination. So, no, its not about money. No one is depending on commercials (hence the buying public) to pay the bills.

Specs of dust in God's Universe? That's one way of looking at it. That's the attention we deserve, anyway. But when you stop to think that God knows all our parts while we are being knit together in our mother's womb, it has to make you feel a bit special. When you stop to think that God has a plan for each of our lives, it rather fills one with awe that this One to whom the universe is dust should be so attentive to our personal needs.

[CoffeeCanuck]

somehow I doubt that Christians would be tolerant of a non theist radio station or Television channel.

I'd have to say you are wrong JD. Everyone I know, people of all different faiths, wouldn't have an issue for such a station. We all have the freedom to choose, whether that is tuning into or out of, a Christian, Morman, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamic or athiest radio/tv station.

~D

[JonyDarko]

Well, I know it usually is not to hard to find a religious group that is protesting or lobbying against a video game, movie, or musician at any given time. A good recent example is Grand Theft Auto 4.

If a radio station came on the air to argue against religion as much as V.O.A.R. attempts to empower it in Kelowna, it would not be accepted. I remember Howard Stern doing an anti religion skit on his morning talk show in New York and he found him self in some hot water for quite some time, and New Yorkers pretty much let anything go without being offended. Could you imagine something like that in good ol' senior city?

Not to be rude but it seems to me that talk is cheap "I'd have to say you are wrong JD. Everyone I know, people of all different faiths, wouldn't have an issue for such a station." and actions speak much louder then words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aaX1b70gjo

[CoffeeCanuck]

Lets not confuse and twist my words please JD. I said..."Everyone I know, people of all different faiths, wouldn't have an issue for such a station."

This thread is simply about a new Christian radio station being broadcast, lets not turn a simple thread into yet another battle between people of faith and people of non-faith. I'm listening to the station now, because I choose to, I'm sure you are not, because you choose not to. Freedom to choose, a wonderful thing.

Hmmmm, you're not CK incognito are you?

~D

[JonyDarko]

I posted that comment on march 4th, you chose to quote and reply today. My goal was never to "battle" over anything merely to make a comment in this thread "months ago".

[CoffeeCanuck]

I posted that comment on march 4th, you chose to quote and reply today.

Yep. I actually didn't pay attention to the date of the post as I have not posted in this forum for a while. Considering the thread is about a current music stationthough, the posting date is rather irrelevant.

~D

[JonyDarko]

Your statement claiming I am wrong is flawed. Since we know you are not close friends with everyone in Kelowna you can not claim that residents of this fine city would embrace or even tolerate a station like the one I suggested.

[CoffeeCanuck]

JD, I lived in Kelowna for 35 years and only moved to NS a year ago. Stop trying to be 'right' and maybe try to see my pov, sheesh.

~D

[JonyDarko]

So I should stop trying to explain my point of view and accept yours because you have lived here for thirty five years? That is very Christian of you.

Speaking of which, I was listening to this station not too long ago at work. They had about an hour's worth of skits that would have been laughable if only they were not displaying some of the most hateful and intolerable propaganda I have ever heard in my entire life. All of them would basically say something along the lines of " I was not a believer in the Christian God, and during this time I was a criminal addict who hurt everyone around me, including myself. But then I met this 2000 year old zombie and now I am a loving humanitarian.". I listened to about ten of these skits and one them was actually a female who was raped in the skit. She then converted to Christianity and came to the conclusion "with the help of her church officials" that it was basically because she did not believe in God, since she was in a bad part of town in unlady like clothing.

Great station for the kids. If the characters in the skits had believed in a different God rather then no God do you think there would be some angry citizens?

EXAMPLE:
" I was a follower of Islam, and during this time I was a criminal addict who hurt everyone around me, including myself. But then I met this 2000 year old zombie and now I am a loving humanitarian."

[CoffeeCanuck]

So I should stop trying to explain my point of view and accept yours because you have lived here for thirty five years? That is very Christian of you.

C'mon now JD, you're getting ur boxers in a twist over nothing. I'll re-state my pov, after all, that would be the 'Christian' thing to do.

All the different people I know, friends, family, former neighbours, co-workers that I was on a friendly basis with, would not have an issue with this Christian radio station, nor a station that might broadcast a different faith, or non-faith. I'm not speaking for the entire population of Kelowna, simply people I know. I should mention as well that I know people of all different faiths and hey, even the odd athiest or two or three.

~D

[hellomynameis]

So I should stop trying to explain my point of view and accept yours because you have lived here for thirty five years? That is very Christian of you.

Speaking of which, I was listening to this station not too long ago at work. They had about an hour's worth of skits that would have been laughable if only they were not displaying some of the most hateful and intolerable propaganda I have ever heard in my entire life. All of them would basically say something along the lines of " I was not a believer in the Christian God, and during this time I was a criminal addict who hurt everyone around me, including myself. But then I met this 2000 year old zombie and now I am a loving humanitarian.". I listened to about ten of these skits and one them was actually a female who was raped in the skit. She then converted to Christianity and came to the conclusion "with the help of her church officials" that it was basically because she did not believe in God, since she was in a bad part of town in unlady like clothing.

Great station for the kids. If the characters in the skits had believed in a different God rather then no God do you think there would be some angry citizens?

EXAMPLE:
" I was a follower of Islam, and during this time I was a criminal addict who hurt everyone around me, including myself. But then I met this 2000 year old zombie and now I am a loving humanitarian."

"the most hateful and intolerable propaganda I have ever heard in my entire life" wow, you've not heard anything that has come out of the White house in the last few years?

I'm not a Christian, I like a lot of your posts, but this one really went off the deep end.

[JonyDarko]

"some of the..."

I agree with you on the White House thing, that is one of the many reasons why I now live in Canada.

Yes, I happen to think a public radio station "or any kind of major media" making one specific group out to be drug addicts, and criminals is offensive, and hateful.

But thank you for liking most of my posts, I appreciate it. Not being sarcastic.


Coffee,

I do not dispute that your immediate friends are tolerable, you do not seem intolerable to me and well, there is the whole birds of a feather thing. I do however hate being labeled wrong on the bases of a few people "your friends". Saying that their beliefs and views are that of the entire town is a generalization and I will leave it at that as I think this has been beaten with a large blunt object by both of us and is rather pointless. I do how ever think we can both agree that boxers > then briefs as they do take a bit more twisting before they rip in the back "you're getting ur boxers in a twist".

Seriously, how did you know I wear boxers?