A New Idea That Connects the Universe

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A New Idea That Connects the Universe

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In the spirit of sharing and understanding how everything is connected I invite people to watch this video concerning the theory of an electric based universe (versus a gravity based universe).

It is called "Thunderbolts of the Gods" as it connects ancient mythological perceptions to modern plasma physics and other disciplines through electric models of the universe.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1316220374
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Great! More hack science. The scientific community has called EU a catastrophist pseudoscience, as there is neither sufficient evidence, mathematical models, nor peer review, to treat it as a scientific theory. Sort of like creationism.....all bark, no bite.
Maybe a little bit more research on your part before you post. Just because you saw it on the internets, doesn't make it true.
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Should we instead blindly accept the purely mathematical theories dreamed up by scientists without any actual observation? Should we swallow the ideas invented to fill the holes of a gravity based cosmology? Dark matter, dark energy? Magnetic reconnection? Just because they're mainstream scientists doesn't make them right. Even Carl Sagan, who questioned and didn't like the theories of Velikozski thought the ideas deserved to be examined and not summarily quelled like "heretical" religious beliefs.

What about the effects produced in the lab by Kristian Birkeland? He replicated the plasma torus, sunspots and solar flares of the sun with electrical experiments.
What about the electric(plasma) based explanations of the corona and other solar effects that are not explained by conventional solar physics?
What about the accurate predictions based on an electric model concerning the probe impact on comet Tempel 1 and NASA's surprise & silence?
What about Pioneer 10's decelleration?
What about plasma phenomena actually observed in labs that fits what they are seeing in deep space?

Plasma cosmology has been endorsed by:
- Gerrit L. Verschuur,
PhD, University of Manchester. A well-known radio astronomer and writer, presently at the Physics Department, University of Memphis.
- Lewis E. Franks, PhD, Stanford University, Fellow of the IEEE (1977), Professor Emeritus and Head of the Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering, University of Massachusetts
- Timothy E. Eastman, PhD, Head of Raytheon's space physics and astrophysics groups. He is well known for his work on magnetospheric boundary layers and the initial discovery of the Low Latitude Boundary Layer.
- Anthony L. Peratt, PhD, USC, Fellow of the IEEE (1999), former scientific advisor to the U.S. Department of Energy and member of the Associate Laboratory Directorate of the Los Alamos National Laboratory.
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Tumult wrote:Should we instead blindly accept the purely mathematical theories dreamed up by scientists without any actual observation? Should we swallow the ideas invented to fill the holes of a gravity based cosmology? Dark matter, dark energy? Magnetic reconnection? Just because they're mainstream scientists doesn't make them right. Even Carl Sagan, who questioned and didn't like the theories of Velikozski thought the ideas deserved to be examined and not summarily quelled like "heretical" religious beliefs.

What about the effects produced in the lab by Kristian Birkeland? He replicated the plasma torus, sunspots and solar flares of the sun with electrical experiments.
What about the electric(plasma) based explanations of the corona and other solar effects that are not explained by conventional solar physics?
What about the accurate predictions based on an electric model concerning the probe impact on comet Tempel 1 and NASA's surprise & silence?
What about Pioneer 10's decelleration?
What about plasma phenomena actually observed in labs that fits what they are seeing in deep space?

Plasma cosmology has been endorsed by:
- Gerrit L. Verschuur,
PhD, University of Manchester. A well-known radio astronomer and writer, presently at the Physics Department, University of Memphis.
- Lewis E. Franks, PhD, Stanford University, Fellow of the IEEE (1977), Professor Emeritus and Head of the Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering, University of Massachusetts
- Timothy E. Eastman, PhD, Head of Raytheon's space physics and astrophysics groups. He is well known for his work on magnetospheric boundary layers and the initial discovery of the Low Latitude Boundary Layer.
- Anthony L. Peratt, PhD, USC, Fellow of the IEEE (1999), former scientific advisor to the U.S. Department of Energy and member of the Associate Laboratory Directorate of the Los Alamos National Laboratory.


Wow, did you quote that straight off of www.thunderbolts.info or www.fixedearth.com?

Tumult Sez...What about the accurate predictions based on an electric model concerning the probe impact on comet Tempel 1 and NASA's surprise & silence?

I found this over at Slashdot

"Proponents of the Electric Universe theory have gone out on a limb ahead of Deep Impact. They're predicting it will show comets are just rocks and not dirty snowballs. Controversially they assert comets are highly negatively-charged asteroids on eccentric orbits. As they travel further into the Sun's radial positive electric field, they discharge into space, expelling material at supersonic speed."

"Based on data from the flyby spacecraft and the impactor, Michael O'Hearn of the University of Maryland and colleagues say that Tempel 1 belongs to the Jupiter family of comets, although its overall shape and surface features are quite different from the nuclei of the two other comets that have been studied in detail -- Wild 2 and Borelly. They also report that Tempel 1 consists largely of extremely fine particles that seem to be very loosely bound together: in other words, the comet is more like a pile of powder than a solid rock."
Looks like the Electric Universe folks were a bit off. Not correct as you quoted.

here's some debunking for those interested....
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/mccanney/misc.html
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Actually concerning Tempel 1 I was referring to the initial flash before impact and the very energetic nature of the impact which were both predicted by the plasma cosmology dudes and unexpected by NASA....
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Tumult wrote:In the spirit of sharing and understanding how everything is connected I invite people to watch this video concerning the theory of an electric based universe (versus a gravity based universe).

It is called "Thunderbolts of the Gods" as it connects ancient mythological perceptions to modern plasma physics and other disciplines through electric models of the universe.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1316220374


So I gave that 15 seconds." WoW" Go back to drawing board and try again.
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Re: A New Idea That Connects the Universe

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Woah… Tumult, don’t toke so deeply from the vapourizer, you’re going too deep.

First, Science is ALL ABOUT OBSERVATION, testing and refining due to evidence uncovered. There is no “ivory tower” science in this world, simply because there is no science without observation and testing. Without the ability to test, there can be no theories. Remember, a theory to a scientist is a very different beastie than a theory to a layman. A scientific theory is the explanation that most accurately and precisely defines all the available evidence and predicts most accurately the outcome of any test. As such, everything in science - including the “Law” of Gravity - is “just a theory”, because it can and will be refined if and when more precise evidence comes to light that the original theory was unable to account for.

And secondly, Science is never 100% sure about anything. There are no absolutes in science, only “best fit scenarios”. Some of these scenarios are quite well fitting… within their own respective fields, quantum mechanics and relativity have done quite well over the last three-quarters of a century; defending themselves from nearly all challenges with only a few minor modifications along the way.

Science is the best answer we currently have to the question of the nature of the universe. Some parts of this answer don’t fit well together (just look at how relativity breaks down at the quantum level, and vice-versa), but that’s why scientists are there -- they are constantly looking for a better answer to the one we already have.

Yes, there is science on the fringes that purport to have a “bead” on the true nature of the universe, but more often than not, these fringe ideas turn out to be just that -- frayed edges, without much substance or evidence behind them. That’s not to say that an “electric based universe” is wrong, just that it is highly unlikely to have any bearing with reality.

And then there is pseudoscience. That which purports to be science, but really isn’t. Astrology. Reiki. Crystal therapy. Intelligent Design. The vast majority of “holistic” medicine. All fail in very spectacular ways under the pressures of Observation, Testing, Evidence and the Scientific Method.

Which is, of course, why it is called pseudoscience -- fake science.

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Tumult wrote:Actually concerning Tempel 1 I was referring to the initial flash before impact and the very energetic nature of the impact which were both predicted by the plasma cosmology dudes and unexpected by NASA....


Unexpected, yes. Unexplained, no. Electric Universe supporters predicted electrical (Lightning like) flashes shortly before impact.

You can download a movie from this NASA page
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepi ... movie.html
...The outbursts appear as flickers or bursts of light. The movie ends during the middle of the final outburst. Does this support their prediction? Nope.
The 3 "bursts" were seen more that 2 weeks (June14th) before impact, another one about a week later (June 22nd), and one 2 days before impact (July 2nd). No flashes were seen "shortly before impact". The 'flashes' were caused by sublimating ice, happens quite often on comets.
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