Gay rights and the church

[MarcusHL]

5VP;

Sorry, can you not read? You've been given ample evidence that it is NOT a choice, and then you end your argument with "therefore, it's a choice."

You do realize you look a fool, right?

[MarcusHL]

It appears then that, gays are not an obvious, visibly distinct race of humanoid and geing gay is undeterminable from other non-gay humans other than the practice of gay lifestyle choices.

They are when you enshrine religious discrimination in law; are not not able to see? It's the religious Right that wants to draw lines, making different rules for gays and "straights".

[sooperphreek]

wow. i find it crazy how people try so hard to be different and then want to be accepted into society as the norm. the argument with homosexuals is like trying to reason with a child. unlike a child we cant send gays to their room when they are wrong. too bad.

[Mr Danksworth]

Well, at least we can feel safe knowing that the religious bigots have constantly lost in their attempts to dehumanize homosexuals. The fight continues to be won on all fronts while the 'right' keep spewing hate and ignorance. I can hardly wait until they realize that their twisted view of the world is dissapearing and that people see them for who and what they are.

[Nebula]

wow. i find it crazy how people try so hard to be different and then want to be accepted into society as the norm. the argument with homosexuals is like trying to reason with a child. unlike a child we cant send gays to their room when they are wrong. too bad.

They're not trying to be different. They are different (than heterosexuals).

[Glacier]

great word Neb..... just to clarify for 5PV in case he/she is still a little unclear
Gay does not = paedophile

Quite right, Cornelious Rooster pointed out a while back that 60% (ie. the majority) of paedophiles are heterosexual.

[Oxl3y]

wow. i find it crazy how people try so hard to be different and then want to be accepted into society as the norm. the argument with homosexuals is like trying to reason with a child. unlike a child we cant send gays to their room when they are wrong. too bad.

Trolling...and badly at that.

[5VP]

So then...

Is being gay like being in a social club or gang?

Is entry into this club the same for all, as in actual committing to homosexual sex acts, or is it based on heresay and one can be a member in standing even though they do not engage in *bleep* sex? Is there a standing committee to observe the acts of sex as proof of entry into the club??

Are all gay men technically lifelong virgins because they do not have sex with women?

Going after the strictures of the churches for doing what it has always done for millennia and expecting it to change is like telling honeybees that they now also need to accept wasps into the hive. It's a fine and noble gesture but functionally impractical.

What is the World Homosexual Association doing to address the issue of pedophilia among it's members and what are they doing to redress the lifelong problems caused to the victims by these gays??

Why do gay men need to dress like women for their partners and gay women dress like men?

Why not just go hetero?

For me, this whole homosexual thing has too many vagaries attached to it and it seems to divisive.

[Mr Danksworth]

So then...

Is being gay like being in a social club or gang?

No.

is entry into this club the same for all, as in actual committing to homosexual sex acts, or is it based on heresay and one can be a member in standing even though they do not engage in *bleep* sex? Is there a standing committee to observe the acts of sex as proof of entry into the club??

Your obsession with other peoples sex acts is pretty disturbing.

are all gay men technically lifelong virgins because they do not have sex with women?

What does that matter?

going after the strictures of the churches for doing what it has always done for millennia and expecting it to change is like telling honeybees that they now also need to accept wasps into the hive. It's a fine and noble gesture but functionally impractical.

Once a bigot, always a bigot, eh?

what is the World Homosexual Association doing to address the issue of pedophilia among it's members and what are they doing to redress the lifelong problems caused to the victims by these gays??

Homosexuality is not connected to pedophilia. There are no links. This is just toxic thinking spread around by the fundagelical BS factory.

why do gay men need to dress like women for their partners and gay women dress like men?

Welcome to the myriad of joys that come with being a human. What is your concern with what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes. You don't see us kicking in your door to tell you how to make love to your hand.

why not just go hetero?

I think chuches have deprogramming centers for that....they don't work.

for me, this whole homosexual thing has too many vagaries attached to it and it seems to divisive.

It isn't devisive. Unless you count religous People making something out of nothing. I've also noticed that your screeds against homosexuality seems to be centered on men. Are lesbians an acceptable form of homosexuality? I think someone may have some closet issues. It's alright, there is help out there for repressed self-hating homosexuals. Shall I send you some links?

[Nom_de_Plume]

Homosexuality is not connected to pedophilia. There are no links. This is just toxic thinking spread around by the fundagelical BS factory.

Maybe 5PV is confusing pedphillia with pederasty?
Not that I agree with any of that absurd post by him/her.... it's just that topic keeps being brought up and touted as "fact"

[cliffy1]

Inside every homophobe is a queen screaming to get out of her closet.

[fluffy]

Viewing the sexual orientation of others is much the same as viewing their skin colour. It either matters to you or it doesn't, and if it does matter then there is plenty of help around to overcome this particular character defect. Of course that requires admitting to the existence of the condition, a very big step for some.

[Sneaksuit]

Viewing the sexual orientation of others is much the same as viewing their skin colour. It either matters to you or it doesn't, and if it does matter then there is plenty of help around to overcome this particular character defect.

That's a great analogy. It reminds me of Timothy Leary's famous quote, "LSD is known to induce psychosis, in people who have never used it," regarding their attitude towards others who do.

[sooperphreek]

So then...

Is being gay like being in a social club or gang?

No.

is entry into this club the same for all, as in actual committing to homosexual sex acts, or is it based on heresay and one can be a member in standing even though they do not engage in *bleep* sex? Is there a standing committee to observe the acts of sex as proof of entry into the club??

Your obsession with other peoples sex acts is pretty disturbing.

are all gay men technically lifelong virgins because they do not have sex with women?

What does that matter?

going after the strictures of the churches for doing what it has always done for millennia and expecting it to change is like telling honeybees that they now also need to accept wasps into the hive. It's a fine and noble gesture but functionally impractical.

Once a bigot, always a bigot, eh?

what is the World Homosexual Association doing to address the issue of pedophilia among it's members and what are they doing to redress the lifelong problems caused to the victims by these gays??

Homosexuality is not connected to pedophilia. There are no links. This is just toxic thinking spread around by the fundagelical BS factory.

why do gay men need to dress like women for their partners and gay women dress like men?

Welcome to the myriad of joys that come with being a human. What is your concern with what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes. You don't see us kicking in your door to tell you how to make love to your hand.

why not just go hetero?

I think chuches have deprogramming centers for that....they don't work.

for me, this whole homosexual thing has too many vagaries attached to it and it seems to divisive.

It isn't devisive. Unless you count religous People making something out of nothing. I've also noticed that your screeds against homosexuality seems to be centered on men. Are lesbians an acceptable form of homosexuality? I think someone may have some closet issues. It's alright, there is help out there for repressed self-hating homosexuals. Shall I send you some links?

no they just kick down the church doors and want to have equal opportunity to a religious institution of marriage rather than respect a sacred tradition. what the reasons are im not quite sure. you get all the same benefits in a civil partnership.

[Corneliousrooster]

no they just kick down the church doors and want to have equal opportunity to a religious institution of marriage rather than respect a sacred tradition. what the reasons are im not quite sure. you get all the same benefits in a civil partnership.

Maybe you should start preaching to your own flock - they do a pretty good job of making a mockery of your "respected sacred tradition". Death do us part vows before god are not really taken seriously anymore are they?

I too do not understand why gays would like to partake in it - or anyone else for that matter

Certainly none of my business (or yours) if they do. Maybe when marriage actually means something to the church goers and the church leaders actually turn their nose to those who take their vows before god so lightly, will your argument have anything more than a shaky leg to stand on.