Stupidity or Incompetence?

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usquebaugh wrote:It provides some insight into the Roman Catholic Church's culpability in the Holocaust, among other historical injustices.

I picked up a book from Chapter's bargain section that was an interesting read. It's called Secrets of the Vatican and it touches on some of this. It's almost scary to see the amount of power that the vatican has weilded over the centuries and the acts comitted "in the name of God" (riiiight....). What I wouldn't give to see what hidden away in the vatican's secret archives!

If you really want to see a Catholic priest wince, ask him about Pope Alexander VI, and about his infamous "The Ballet of the Chestnuts". :D
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According the Seventh Dayers the Pope is the Anti-Christ...http://www.who-is-the-antichrist.org/
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According to me they are both idiots. There is no 'christ', how can there be an 'anti-christ.
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You are off-topic.
Dogmatic too.
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soulra wrote: According to me they are both idiots. There is no 'christ', how can there be an 'anti-christ.


:coffeecanuck: No Jesus Christ ??

No holocaust I presume either. Plus, man did not land on the moon. Stupidity or incompetence? Pah! Probably a bit of both. Credibility? Zero.

Now we all know you are obsessively anti-religion soulra and I can even appreciate your stated reasoning. We also know you have shut your mind off from entertaining any notion you might be wrong in your belief about the possible existence of God, and like to ridicule others for believing differently than you (still not sure why you're so threatened by that – pah! Just scared I guess). But to suggest there was never a historical figure known as Jesus Christ - well, that just sort of betrays a whole new level of ignorance we didn't know you had. Do you deny the holocoust as well? What about man landing on the moon? Or maybe you think Buddha was an imaginary person as well. Obviously, idiocy is not a condition exclusive to theists. Thanks for highlighting that for us soulra. Sorry to see your credibility take such a drastic turn south.
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Any historical evidence? I certainly haven't seen any. Add to that 'divine son of god' born of a virgin, and you have even less evidence. Next thing you will tell me that he travelled to N.America after his 'resurrection'....oh wait, that's ned's territory.
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Back to the Pope...

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soulra wrote:Any historical evidence? I certainly haven't seen any.



:coffeecanuck: I'm sorry. What year is this ??? :dyinglaughing:
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Someone close the window...oops to late, Soultra's credibility already flew out. This must be how the religious feel when a nut of theirs starts running off at the mouth: embarrassing.
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sleepdeprived wrote:Back to the Pope...

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Can't have one without the other. They just go together like apple pie & ice cream.(unless you are Lactose intolerance)
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Air Wrench wrote:Someone close the window...oops to late, Soultra's credibility already flew out.



:dyinglaughing: wooosh
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steven lloyd wrote:
soulra wrote:Any historical evidence? I certainly haven't seen any.



:coffeecanuck: I'm sorry. What year is this ??? :dyinglaughing:
Air Wrench wrote:Someone close the window...oops to late, Soultra's credibility already flew out. This must be how the religious feel when a nut of theirs starts running off at the mouth: embarrassing.


So? Where is it? Using the gospels to prove the gospels doesn't count.
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steven lloyd wrote: Plus, man did not land on the moon.


Finally, Steven says something I can stand behind( too bad it was sarcasm...)

I am sure there was a jesus christ - i am sure he claimed to be the son of god - i am sure he had followers that thought he could do no wrong and was enlightened (we have had quite a few memorable ones in the last few generations as well - society in general just thinks they are "crazy' though.....) i am sure that Jesus was given the death penalty and made an example through public humiliation (along with many, many others....)

I am also sure that no water was walked on, no loaves feeding thousands, no fishes being multiplied, no water into wine, no blind seeing, no deaf hearing, no lepers being taken into the flock, no cripples walking, no sick being cured by mere contact.

I am sure that science was in no way interfering or contridicting Faith at the time so faith had far more "power" than it has today.

I keep hearing about this "fear" being the reason for not believing and ridiculing believers

Is it not a "fear" that has all the believers so dedicated to the concept of a creater (and son)???
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Corneliousrooster wrote:Is it not a "fear" that has all the believers so dedicated to the concept of a creater (and son)???


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Well what do we have here


Report: Bishop who had denied Holocaust apologizes
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By ALESSANDRA RIZZO, Associated Press Writer – Thu Feb 26, 5:44 pm ET

AP – Bishop Richard Williamson, second from left in foreground, is escorted out of Heathrow airport by police …
ROME – A British bishop whose denial of the Holocaust embroiled Pope Benedict XVI in controversy has apologized for his remarks, a Catholic news agency said Thursday. Bishop Richard Williamson, with the conservative Society of St. Pius X, had faced worldwide criticism over a television interview in which he said no Jews were gassed during the Holocaust.
While Williamson apologized in a statement Thursday to all those who took offense and for the distress he caused, the bishop did not specifically say that his comments were erroneous, or that he no longer believed them.
"If I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them," Williamson was quoted as saying in the statement carried by the Zenit Catholic news agency.
Last month the pope, seeking to help heal a rift with ultra-traditionalists, lifted a 20-year-old excommunication decree imposed on Williamson and three other bishops who had been consecrated without Vatican approval.
The move immediately caused an uproar among Jewish groups. Benedict later condemned Williamson's remarks and spoke out against anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial.
"Observing these consequences I can truthfully say that I regret having made such remarks," Williamson added, according to Zenit.
The agency quoted him as saying that to all that took offense, "before God I apologize."
It was not clear if the apology would satisfy the Vatican, which had demanded that he recant before being admitted to the church as a clergyman, or Jewish groups, which had expressed outrage.
The Vatican had no comment on the statement, said the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi.
"The millions of Jews that were murdered in the Holocaust and the survivors who were persecuted are not waiting for his apology," said Iris Rosenberg, spokeswoman of the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum in Jerusalem. "If he is looking to repent, he needs to admit that he was wrong in denying the truth. This is much more important to the people he claims to lead."
In the interview broadcast Jan. 21 on Swedish state TV, Williamson said historical evidence indicates there were no Nazi gas chambers and that a maximum of 300,000 people died in concentration camps in the Holocaust.
Most historians believe about 6 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis during the Holocaust.
In his statement Thursday, Williamson said he was only giving the opinion of a "non-historian" during the Swedish TV interview. He said that opinion was "formed 20 years ago on the basis of evidence then available, and rarely expressed in public since."
However, he said, "the events of recent weeks and the advice of senior members of the Society of St. Pius X have persuaded me of my responsibility for much distress caused."
Williamson and three other traditionalist bishops were excommunicated in 1988 after being consecrated without papal consent by the late ultraconservative Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Lefebvre founded the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X in 1969, opposed to the Vatican II reforms, including its outreach to Jews.
The society had already distanced itself from Williamson's views.
In earlier comments, Williamson had apologized to Benedict for having stirred the controversy but did not recant. Instead, he said he would correct himself if he were satisfied by the evidence, but insisted in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel that examining it "will take time."
Zenit said on its Web site that the statement was published upon Williamson's return to London on Wednesday. The bishop was expelled from Argentina, where he had been based, following the controversy.
The news agency said it had received the statement from the Vatican commission Ecclesia Dei, which was created to try to reconcile with Lefebvre's followers.
Calls to the commission went unanswered Thursday evening.
Not much of apology if at all

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