Faith, science, and empty stairwells

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Faith, science, and empty stairwells

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http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-46619-953-.htm#46619
Linda M. Gigliotti wrote:Science worries, frets, and gnashes, and posits theory after theory. It is interesting that the same logical thinkers who insist there is something out there are those same who insist there is no God to create that something. If something is, then of course science must decide what is and what is not. Even if they cannot discern quite what those are.


Faith says we know there are things outside our possible understanding. We accept that. We accept that we will know what and as much as we are meant to and not one iota more.

Faith smiles and goes on to the next good thing.


Hmmm........Linda is attempting to criticise the scientific method, and how scientists(and people who follow its principles) think or act? Fine, but at least do it from a position of understanding. I find this kind of writing disingenuous at least, and unconscionable at best. Surely its not hard to do a quick wiki and get:
Wiki Scientific Method wrote:To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]


No, that wouldn't sit well with the sensibilities of her intended audience, would it? Instead we get this:

Linda M. Gigliotti wrote:Science worries, frets, and gnashes, and posits theory after theory.


Hell, why don't we just go all the way and say:

Science worries, frets, wails and gnashes in the fiery pits of hell, and posits theory after theory.


Just to balance things up a little, a quick wiki for Faith gives us:

Wiki Faith wrote:Faith is often used in a religious context, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and said being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things. Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true.[4] It is the belief and the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, based on his or her authority and truthfulness.[5]


Ignorance aside, what makes it so important to disseminate this kind of fallacious rot to the public? Is it comforting to some to have ignorance reinforced by yet more ignorance? Who is being fooled; the flock or the science adherents? If you pick the latter then you are sorely mistaken, and I suspect Linda knows it!

I think it would be rude to leave out a bit of background bio on Linda, so here it is:

Linda M. Gigliotti has over 20 years experience helping people produce excellent writing. She offers tutorial in the preparation of writing assignments for students, and proofreading services for other users of the written word.

Check out Linda's book, HowMaster: The Writer's Guide to Beautiful Word Crafting.


I'd dearly like to know what the "next good thing" is, ....another attack on reason, maybe?

Linda Gigliotti wrote:Faith smiles and goes on to the next good thing.
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Don't worry Linda Mr. Science is agnostic toward your supernatural claim: To Linda, From Science

One has to ask if when Linda said -

"There was recently a digital photo taken of an empty staircase. There was no one upstairs at the time nor was there anyone on or near the staircase. The photographer took the picture and then left the scene of the empty staircase.

When the photograph was downloaded there was at the top two stairs a baby coming down."


-she was really pointing out the silliness of superstition and by that extension we should have read her article in the light of the sarcastic tone it was written in. Unfortunately we all know how hard it is to transcribe the subtle art of sarcasm into plain print so much can be forgiven if this were the case.

If not, if she truly meant to imply that she (or someone she knows) witnessed the supernatural through a photograph then the first bullet we chamber should be one made in true internet fashion:

“Linda, pic or *bleep*.”

But this may be too much effort for one who believes
“Faith indicates that we accept there are things man will not know so we may as well relax and go on to other things which mercifully are suited to our capacity to comprehend.


Although, perhaps it is not indolence on the behalf of our stoic that is the problem, perhaps the revealed has once again transmuted “There and Back Again: A Spirit’s Tale.” In which case she can take her fantastic tale and get in line right behind the guy probed by aliens, the fat lady from Kansas who saw Hitler and Elvis going through a Burger King take-out, Uri Geller and this guy.

Break it down
Stop, Hammer time!



“Science worries, frets, and gnashes, and posits theory after theory.”
*sits you down in a quite room* And that’s how crazy things like medicine and computers are born.

“It is interesting that the same logical thinkers who insist there is something out there are those same who insist there is no God to create that something.”
It is interesting that you stereotype so freely, it is interesting that some who have faith insist on denying reality. What of it?

“If something is, then of course science must decide what is and what is not. Even if they cannot discern quite what those are.”
Well since we are talking about science and not being at all disingenuous: lets thank science for going out on a limb and not holding back on the whole gravitation of general relativity-quantum mechanics vs. a unified theory thing. I like my GPS, thank you.

“Faith says we know there are things outside our possible understanding.”
And science calls that a singularity. Full stop.
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Oy.
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not use reason to arrive at.
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I can't see the baby. Maybe my science is too strong. Does canstanet pay this broad? Hope not. Rent is more important.
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Born_again wrote:
I'd dearly like to know what the "next good thing" is, ....another attack on reason, maybe?

Linda Gigliotti wrote:Faith smiles and goes on to the next good thing.



Now we know what the "next good thing" is..........

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There's such a thing as too much faith.
There's such a thing as too much reason.
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and too much milk!

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