Prejean

[wthwyt]

She know she going down hard and fast so she want to get her face in as many places as she can. Her PR person is doing a very good job of that, problem is when someone asks the hard questions she freezes and turns into a 4 year old.
There will always be christian wingnuts as one goes another show up. It's as if there is one of these set-up somewhere

[Gerafix]

The fundamental piece of Christianity is that you cannot follow all the laws all the time.

Ah yes, the usual Christian apologetic response - ignore the bible and just make up stuff to suit your purposes!
Well, to be fair the bible is simply full to the brim with inconsistencies and contradictions so it's not really Christians fault (well except for the fact that they believe such myths!).
Okay in Deuteronomy god has just given his little speech about commandments and whatever, so he goes on to say -

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult or out of your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it?" Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" No, the word is very near you; it is in your heart and in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it

Interesting how god never bothers to say that it's impossible to follow his rules and regulations. In fact god says that it isn't difficult! So who is lying? Christian followers or god? Perhaps god just didn't know that it's too difficult? Or is it simply that the bible is so crammed full of contradictions the bible just doesn't mean what it says... ever.

[FunkyBunch]

That right there is the problem with people who look at things without thinking. You look at one piece out of context and then decide the whole thing is bad. You also chose not to say anything about the actual fundamental piece:

"For all have sinned..."

That is the fundamental piece. There is a reason God required sacrifices before sending Jesus. But yeah, let's just focus on one passage taken out of context and spew anti-Christian rhetoric.

[Mr Danksworth]

The fundamental piece of Christianity is that you cannot follow all the laws all the time.

Sooo, when it it time to stop hating gays, and start hating shellfish? Is there a calendar that christian follow that tells them which laws to focus on and which to ignore? I can hardly wait for the haircut apocalypse in 2012.

[fvkasm2x]

LMAO at how fast Religion and Politics can get out of hand. We went from Prejean to shellfish and haircuts !

[Big ned]

The fundamental piece of Christianity is that you cannot follow all the laws all the time.

Ah yes, the usual Christian apologetic response - ignore the bible and just make up stuff to suit your purposes!
Well, to be fair the bible is simply full to the brim with inconsistencies and contradictions so it's not really Christians fault (well except for the fact that they believe such myths!).
Okay in Deuteronomy god has just given his little speech about commandments and whatever, so he goes on to say -

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult or out of your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it?" Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" No, the word is very near you; it is in your heart and in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it

Interesting how god never bothers to say that it's impossible to follow his rules and regulations. In fact god says that it isn't difficult! So who is lying? Christian followers or god? Perhaps god just didn't know that it's too difficult? Or is it simply that the bible is so crammed full of contradictions the bible just doesn't mean what it says... ever.

Get a grip on what Christianity believes.. this is old testament.. it doesn't apply to Christians, it applies to Jews. If you can't distinguish the two maybe you should post on the subject. Miss prejean is not Jewish

[Mr Danksworth]

Get a grip on what Christianity believes.. this is old testament.. it doesn't apply to Christians, it applies to Jews. If you can't distinguish the two maybe you should post on the subject.

Matthew 5:17 says, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill"

I'd also like to remind you that your Ten Commandments are found in the Old Testament, and the biblical basis for anti-gay bigotry is found there as well.

[Gerafix]

Get a grip on what Christianity believes.. this is old testament.. it doesn't apply to Christians, it applies to Jews. If you can't distinguish the two maybe you should post on the subject. Miss prejean is not Jewish

So Christians just left out some stuff and edited some other stuff. Well so much for the divine word of god.
That's the problem when people put so much faith into a book written some 2000 years ago in a different language that's been edited, rewritten, and translated through a political and theological lens.

Which apparently allows Miss Prejean to be both a moral Republican talking head and sex tape distributor at the same time.

[Tumult]

The fundamental piece of Christianity is that you cannot follow all the laws all the time.

Sooo, when it it time to stop hating gays, and start hating shellfish? Is there a calendar that christian follow that tells them which laws to focus on and which to ignore? I can hardly wait for the haircut apocalypse in 2012.

I'm not a christian but here's an answer...

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

...for all the law is fulfilled in one word, even this: You should love your neighbor as yourself.

Colossians 3:14

But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.

[fvkasm2x]

That's the problem when people put so much faith into a book written some 2000 years ago in a different language that's been edited, rewritten, and translated through a political and theological lens.

I have honestly debated writing my own bible. Seriously, like 500 pages of purely random crap from my head (and of course touting how great I am) and then going somewhere in the mountains and using a machine to dig down like 500 feet. Then bury the *bleep* and tell everyone in my will... sure would be a great social experiment.

The downside is, you would never find out the results. lol

[Mr. Personality]

Prejean is obviously dumb as a brick house, though built like one. With that said, she answered the question. Apparently, Perez wanted her to say something to evade the question ("she should have said it's up to the individual states") and, I believe, misrepresents himself when he says, "It's not because she's against gay marriage, it's because of her stupid answer." While the answer wasn't the most eloquent, I do not believe that Perez's objections have nothing to do with her personal stance on gay marriage. Would his reaction be so harsh if she had answered, "Yes, I believe all States should follow suit"?

If this chick ends up having any kind of a career, Perez has himself to thank.

[fvkasm2x]

Prejean is obviously dumb as a brick house, though built like one. With that said, she answered the question. Apparently, Perez wanted her to say something to evade the question ("she should have said it's up to the individual states") and, I believe, misrepresents himself when he says, "It's not because she's against gay marriage, it's because of her stupid answer." While the answer wasn't the most eloquent, I do not believe that Perez's objections have nothing to do with her personal stance on gay marriage. Would his reaction be so harsh if she had answered, "Yes, I believe all States should follow suit"?

If this chick ends up having any kind of a career, Perez has himself to thank.

I hate that pompous little *bleep*. I listen to 99.9 most of the time and he has a little segment on there twice a day. He uses it to bash anyone he has a problem with, even when HE is the problem or the person he is whining about didn't really do anything wrong (much like the original Prejean comment).

Saying you were raised to believe marriage should be between men and women is not at all b ad. Hell, she even said it was great that they live in a country where people could choose, regardless of sexual orientation. As I said before, I was fully behind her with that comment. She answered it well.

He was bashing her again on the radio a couple days ago. Dude needs a new target.

[kgcayenne]

... Hell, she even said it was great that they live in a country where people could choose, regardless of sexual orientation...

Is this the first time that sentiment has been discussed in this thread?

[Big ned]

Get a grip on what Christianity believes.. this is old testament.. it doesn't apply to Christians, it applies to Jews. If you can't distinguish the two maybe you should post on the subject.

Matthew 5:17 says, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill"

I'd also like to remind you that your Ten Commandments are found in the Old Testament, and the biblical basis for anti-gay bigotry is found there as well.

Nice of you to quote the scripture, but you obviously have no idea what it means, do you?

I also don't think miss prejean ever said she was a perfect or even completly moral christian. Everyone makes mistakes and either they learn from, repent and move on, or they don't. I haven't heard of anymore tapes where she is scantily clad being released. What is happening is that you are judging her without knowing her heart. Had she learned, repented and moved on? she says she has and that is good enough for me. Why isn't it good enough for you? why does it make you so angry when a christian makes a mistake? Why do you feel the need to be so judgmental?

[Mr Danksworth]

Nice of you to quote the scripture, but you obviously have no idea what it means, do you?

I think it's pretty self-explanatory. but then again, I'm not wearing the contradiction shielding 'Jesus Goggles'.

What is happening is that you are judging her without knowing her heart.

Quite frankly I couldn't give a poop about her 'heart'. She used her 15 minuites to be the posterchild for the right wing gay haters. And she did it from an imaginary moral high ground that she herself couldn't even live up to. As far as I'm concerned her opinions on what is 'moral' don't mean squat.

Had she learned, repented and moved on?

Who cares?

why does it make you so angry when a christian makes a mistake?

Because it's their stupid beliefs that make them do and say stupid things that make life harder for people who don't believe the same things. Prop 8 anyone?