Religion or more?

[tsu]

If your going to make the accusation that everyone you disagree with is a secret communist I think the burden of evidence is on you to prove it and not everyone else to prove they aren't trying to mess with your bodily fluids.

And what you and Glenn think there secretly up to isn't proof, its a tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

[Big ned]

Then the answer is yes... you do only watch Glenn on the Huffington Post. That's what I thought. Glenn hasn't been wrong yet on his prognostications of what the Obama administration will do. Yet instead of disputing it and putting the story straight, they simply send their left wing media hounds out to smear him. Glen has proven himself time and time again. One of the things he has proven is that Obama has been a raging socialist, even seeking out Marxist professor and communist friends as early as university. He has done nothing since he got elected that would dispell that notion. He has surrounded himself with communists, Maoists and Marxists professors in the Whitehouse. You need to pay a little more attention because these are well known facts.

[tsu]

So again what has the Obama administration specifically done that is more socialist than a typical US administration other than be associated with people fox news has labeled radical socialists.

Keep in mind socialism is relative, the current health care bill is far less socialist than the bush administrations medicare part D.

[Big ned]

What? Are you kidding me. The Obama administration's health care act will penalize anyone who doesn't want health care.... The people are forced to have health care. I don't know of anything less constitutional than that.

[Big ned]

Sorry, had to go back to work... Well let's see... government take over besides health care? How about 2/3 of the auto industry? How about 96% of the mortgages in the US... along that line.. did you know that there is a section in the new economy bill they just passed that gives the government the right to take over any business they want if they deem it "too big to fail" and they feel like it might fail? Seize assets without even an OK from congress. Also, even MSNBC is reporting on the rights the government in the US just seize to assassinate any US citizen they feel is supporting terrorism or involved in terrorism. And you lefties thought Bush was bad for listening in on conversations .... where are you left loonies on this one? You must have heard of it, for once it isn't Fox that has to carry the burden on these things.

Probably didn't know any of that stuff eh TZU..?

[tsu]

Sorry, had to go back to work... Well let's see... government take over besides health care?

How does a government health insurance plan that still uses private providers equal a government take over.

How about 2/3 of the auto industry?

Baloney, the US government owns 2/3 of GM and some stock in of Chrysler

How about 96% of the mortgages in the US

You have a source on that, the US government doesn't have enough money to own 96% of mortgages. I suspect again someone interpreted the US government owning stock in one company as controlling the entire industry.

[Big ned]

If you own more than half the controlling stock in a company, you control the company. Why do you think the government could dictate who would take over at GM?
THe government owns Fannie and Freddie who carry the large majority of private mortgages in the US. The government doesn't have to own something to control it. You don't think they just took control of health care? Of course they did. Socialism doesn't mean they have to own, they control. With some of the recent developments, we might as well skip Socialism and go straight to Marxism because everything they are doing is to try and redistribute wealth in America. Let's just stomp on the constitution down there while the majority is looking the other way. How many 2000 plus page bills are these guys going to pass without reading them? How many lies are going to be told by Obama just to get a bill passed and then turn around within weeks and ask the american public to bend over and grab their ankles?

[tsu]

If you own more than half the controlling stock in a company, you control the company. Why do you think the government could dictate who would take over at GM?

GM only has a 20% market share in north America so your statement is still baloney.

You don't think they just took control of health care? Of course they did. Socialism doesn't mean they have to own, they control. With some of the recent developments, we might as well skip Socialism and go straight to Marxism because everything they are doing is to try and redistribute wealth in America.

All governments control things and redistribute wealth. By your metric the only way to not be a socialist is to be a anarchist.
So is the FDA, government roads and public education socialism or is socialism just a meaningless term you apply to anyone who disagrees with you.

[nolanrh]

What? Are you kidding me. The Obama administration's health care act will penalize anyone who doesn't want health care.... The people are forced to have health care. I don't know of anything less constitutional than that.

Why do you believe it is unconstitutional?

[katzenjammer]

As I understand it, the mormons set up a kind of communist state in Utah under B Young. Their communities were set up so that wealth was sent off to the church leaders to be redistributed according to need. ie socialism.
I guess those early principals have been abandoned and the mormons now embrace capitalism with fervrant greed--- or have they? Socialist or Capitalist they still believe in totalitarianism. (the big cheese in the church calls all the shots).

Am I mistaken --- or what? so heres a question for Big Ned ---Is it not reasonable to suggest that Mormon society is a socialist inspired theocracy? I don't understand why you are so against universal health care? Take from the many to give to the needy. Jesus Christ would approve; why don't you?

[steven lloyd]

so heres a question for Big Ned ---Is it not reasonable to suggest that Mormon society is a socialist inspired theocracy? I don't understand why you are so against universal health care? Take from the many to give to the needy. Jesus Christ would approve; why don't you?

It's complicated. He thinks George Bush was a good president so go figure :129:

[Big ned]

My concern is for the US constitution. It is being trampled on and the way they are instituting many of the bills down there is taking the power away from the people and giving it to the government. Do you honestly think our universal health care works? We are in just as big a problem up here as they are down there. Unfunded liabilities on both sides of the border is going to be the ruin of all of us. If we don't get away from the nanny state thing and get back to personal responsibility and working for what we get... minimize government.. all will be lost.

Yes the LDS do believe in the law of consecration, but your explanation of it is flawed. It is a system where those who can't care for themselves are taken care of and those that are able bodied are expected to work and contribute. Enoch and the city of Zion were the only group of people to live the law. We have a sytem that takes care of those who are unable to take care of themselves, but even they are expected to perform service etc. so that it is not a handout for nothing. It is a watered down from the full blown "consecration" or Zion community.

Today's welfare programs are a joke and only encourage people to try to get something for nothing.

[sobrohusfat]

Wake-up America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjSjpNe1 ... re=related


Europe's Cultural Suicide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&NR=1

[sobrohusfat]

reverence and respect :coffeecanuck:

The U.S. government condemns burning the Qur'an. Yet the U.S. government burns Bibles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErzxOz3D ... ture=email