Jesus was a Socialist?

[steven lloyd]

The problem with your collective, SL, is that there are too many political crooks involved for any reasonable collective to do any good ....

I absolutely agree that there are currently too many political crooks involved for any reasonable (?) collective to do any good. That’s because we continue to re-elect them sending the strong and clear message we don’t mind getting screwed from behind (eg. see BC government, circa 2001 to present). By the way gramma, unless you live in a cabin in the deep woods that you built yourself, grow, hunt and trap your own food, haul your own water from a creek and use candles you made yourself for light it is our collective. One of our problems is that too many people still try to deny that obvious truism and only care about or look out for themselves (not realizing the costs to themselves and us all in doing so). I find it ironic that in examples of libertarianism, such as found in Somalia and amongst American militias, people who espouse the “superior value” of individualism need to work in collective groups to survive.

[bcbudrockz69]

back on topic , if jesus was alive socialist or not, he wouldnt be happy about the middle east situation, he wouldnt be pleased about the states attacking iraq because *bleep* cheney wanted to make his buddies in buisness more money.

he wouldnt be happy that the world stood by and let rwanada happen ,or that gays n lesbians cant marry in some countries.


he wouldnt be happy that banks were allowed to rip ppl off and none them ppl got repaid and on an on


so yes mabey jesus would be prefer socialism

[grammafreddy]

The problem with your collective, SL, is that there are too many political crooks involved for any reasonable collective to do any good ....

I absolutely agree that there are currently too many political crooks involved for any reasonable (?) collective to do any good. That’s because we continue to re-elect them sending the strong and clear message we don’t mind getting screwed from behind (eg. see BC government, circa 2001 to present). By the way gramma, unless you live in a cabin in the deep woods that you built yourself, grow, hunt and trap your own food, haul your own water from a creek and use candles you made yourself for light it is our collective. One of our problems is that too many people still try to deny that obvious truism and only care about or look out for themselves (not realizing the costs to themselves and us all in doing so). I find it ironic that in examples of libertarianism, such as found in Somalia and amongst American militias, people who espouse the “superior value” of individualism need to work in collective groups to survive.

I wasn't actually referring to the BC government or the fact the people keep electing them. I was talking about the world corruption - the corrupt world powers, governments and government officials and bureaucrats who will do damn near anything to keep their positions of power and greed. Such things as the ousted leader in Haiti being replaced by one of more "bendable" persuasions, the military governments who prevent money, food and medicinal donations from the rest of the world to get to their starving and/or traumatized people, the NFP organizations who have enormous administration costs (high salaries) leaving less of the donated goods for the people they are supposedly "helping", the religious organizations who prey on the downtrodden, the victimized and the poor but first feel the need to convert them to their own beliefs to save their souls.

Those "collectives" are the reason the world is the sad place it is today. If they did not exist, the rest of your collectives would be much better off. People could work together in harmony or as individuals according to their needs and abilities and become responsible for themselves - instead of being forced to be responsible for everybody else to the point where they are unable to meet their own needs.

[steven lloyd]

Those "collectives" are the reason the world is the sad place it is today. If they did not exist, the rest of your collectives would be much better off. People could work together in harmony or as individuals according to their needs and abilities and become responsible for themselves - instead of being forced to be responsible for everybody else to the point where they are unable to meet their own needs.

Yes, those libertarian collectives (aka: "gang of thugs") are indeed a curse and perhaps wiping the world of them (including "corporate gangs") would put a dent in the exploitation that currently creates the conditions where some are unable to meet their own needs. Quite insightful gramma.

I mean the last thing we want to be doing is taking any responsibility for those persons and/or groups who are more marginalized than ourselves. How dare they ?!?!? Sure it might cost us ten times as much to pay for the consequences of not helping them but it sure teaches them a lesson, right ? Blaming is always so productive.


(you could be a soldier for Jesus)