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And that's why there's still so much discussion and debate on the subject - even among non-religious scientists. I actually believe the evidence strongly supports the hypothesis of physical evolution but I would not be so arrogant or naive as to assume the idea is unquestionable.

Thank you for taking part in this discussion Steven Lloyd. You are right in the fact that non-religious scientists haven't entirely agreed completely on a few fundamentals regarding space matter theories. However, they have completely discarded the idea that a single God or any Deity for that matter created the Earth. Christianity teachings have been completely dismissed in non-religious circles of science and shelved forever as wrong. They do at this point all agree in our evolution. The chimpanzee is our cousin. No creditable scientist will deny the facts of our evolution after digesting the evidence.

[cutter7]

I cannot understand how a person becomes a credible scientist only if he believes in evolution. science is science they all study the same subject and get their diplomas from the same school.

The reality is, neither the creationists nor the scientific community can prove their point to the other. if we could we would not be having this discussion.

[DeepEnd]

And that's why there's still so much discussion and debate on the subject - even among non-religious scientists. I actually believe the evidence strongly supports the hypothesis of physical evolution but I would not be so arrogant or naive as to assume the idea is unquestionable.

Thank you for taking part in this discussion Steven Lloyd. You are right in the fact that non-religious scientists haven't entirely agreed completely on a few fundamentals regarding space matter theories. However, they have completely discarded the idea that a single God or any Deity for that matter created the Earth. Christianity teachings have been completely dismissed in non-religious circles of science and shelved forever as wrong. They do at this point all agree in our evolution. The chimpanzee is our cousin. No creditable scientist will deny the facts of our evolution after digesting the evidence.

If a credible ( by your standards ) scientist denies your facts after digesting the evidence (that you provided) he won't be listened to because you deny his findings using the same so called facts you use to prove your view.

And what is a "credible" scientist anyway? By your definition it would be one that you agree with.

I listen to your views but they just don't make sense. How can they have a open mind if because of their disbelief in religion they have already pick a winner. An open scientific mind would not be closed other ideas.

[sooperphreek]

if you flip that same coin you could rationalize the same way about the closed mind from the religious

[steven lloyd]

Except religion doesn't profess to be science

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I cannot understand how a person becomes a credible scientist only if he believes in evolution. science is science they all study the same subject and get their diplomas from the same school.

The reality is, neither the creationists nor the scientific community can prove their point to the other. if we could we would not be having this discussion.

Hi cutter7. People become credible scientists not because they only believe in evolution. They are creditable because they have proven their theories. And when their theories are tested by others, their claims hold truth. If a scientist were to say such a bold claim such as oh um yeah.."The Rapture is coming in May." And May passes and no Rapture. Well, that scientists credibility begins to be questionable. Scientists never make bold claims unless they have already proven their claims over and over to themselves and their peers. Most of the time the scientist disproves himself during his own research and then continues working until he finds the solution (Steven Hawking).

But evolution is not even questionable anymore. Chimpanzees have always been, and are now proven to be our Cousins.

Please watch this. It's a start to really understanding evolution. It's a gift for you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QWv_0Mjq0 I hope you can read the latest findings regarding evolution and begin to see the beautiful world around us evolving. We are so lucky to be a part of it for such a short period of time.

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How can they have a open mind if because of their disbelief in religion they have already pick a winner. An open scientific mind would not be closed other ideas.

Thank you for writing DeepEnd. In the science community there are no "winners". Well, maybe a Nobel prize or two! But scientists have a clear goal in mind. "Understand something. First comes the theory, then the evidence to back it up." Scientists react to demands,problems or questions people have and begin to go to work to answer them. Scientists will pull from any field of knowledge to try and unravel how something works. During the unraveling many things are found. None of those things have ever included GOD. Think of Evolution scientists as adults telling children that there is no Santa Clause. No matter how hard the children want to continue to believe that Santa will come down their chimney every year and deliver presents, it just isn't going to happen. Ever. Sorry.

Evolution vs. Creationism has been debated for a long time. Our complete understanding of Evolution is very recent. Evolution is now fact. Just like we've recently agreed upon how the Dinosaurs became extinct. Stamped and Approved by the world. Beyond reasonable doubt. Thank you.

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How can they have a open mind if because of their disbelief in religion they have already pick a winner. An open scientific mind would not be closed other ideas.

Thank you for writing DeepEnd. In the science community there are no "winners". Well, maybe a Nobel prize or two! But scientists have a clear goal in mind. "Understand something. First comes the theory, then the evidence to back it up." When people have demands, problems or questions that they can't solve themselves to seek the science communities to solve them. Scientists will pull from any field of knowledge to try and answer the problem. During the unraveling many things are found. None of the things found during research have ever included GOD. It's not like GOD is playing tricks on the scientist and hiding from them. Or GOD is right under their nose and they are too stupid to see GOD. Think of Evolution scientists as adults telling children that there is no Santa Clause. No matter how hard the children want to continue to believe that Santa will come down their chimney every year and deliver presents, it just isn't going to happen. Ever. Sorry. There never was a Santa Clause.

Evolution vs. Creationism has been debated for a long time. I for years was on the fence with the theories. But thankfully scientists finally got their answers. Our complete understanding of Evolution is very recent. Evolution is now fact. Just like we've recently agreed upon how the Dinosaurs became extinct. Stamped and Approved by the world. Beyond reasonable doubt. Thank you.

[Captain Awesome]

Evolution vs. Creationism has been debated for a long time. Our complete understanding of Evolution is very recent. Evolution is now fact. Just like we've recently agreed upon how the Dinosaurs became extinct. Stamped and Approved by the world. Beyond reasonable doubt. Thank you.

Teehee.

Until not so long ago scientists were sure molecules are the smallest particles. Or that there are 109 elements in a periodic table. Or that trees produce the vital oxygen for us to breathe. Or that Earth revolves around sun.

And all of it was stamped and approved beyond reasonable doubt. Guess what happened to all these facts...

Thank you

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Teehee.

Until not so long ago scientists were sure molecules are the smallest particles. Or that there are 109 elements in a periodic table. Or that trees produce the vital oxygen for us to breathe. Or that Earth revolves around sun.

And all of it was stamped and approved beyond reasonable doubt. Guess what happened to all these facts...

Thank you

Hi captainAwesome. Scientists never said there were only 109 elements. They have currently discovered up to 118. There may be more to discover. Trees do in fact absorb CO2 through their leaves and then produce the vital oxygen we breath.That fact has never changed. It isn't the only source of oxygen on Earth, but it is a fairly large source supporting all the species that depend on breathing oxygen to live.

The Earth does in fact revolve around the Sun. Always has.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here? Are you saying scientists are wrong sometimes? Of course they are. But they are correct in so many fields of study. Such as Evolution and that there is no deity such as god. They are right about that and have proved it.

[DeepEnd]

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind

[cutter7]

Hi forum, I just watched richard dawkins talk on evolution in the link you posted.. when I compare his talk on evolution with the one by the scientist in the link i previously posted all I can say is richards video was very weak he proved nothing nor did he show any compelling evidence only his opinion.

Its not that I do not believe in evolution, we do change when we breed with people with other characteristics than us be it hair color or height.

dawkins states we cannot prove evolution simply because we have not lived long enough to see it yet earlier you mentioned if i read fossil books i could see the changes. the fact remains there is no proof one species has ever evolved from another. NONE.

I have read people on this forum saying we are related to plants and other mammals and the creationists say that god created everything . If the creationists are right and god created everything out of the same material we would share common dna wouldn't we? As it stands the creationists still have the stronger case in my opinion.

[Queen K]

Oh ya, there's evidence of evolution all right. National Geographic had an amazing layout showing the feathered fossils, would have to see the issue again, but it's very recent. As more comes to light, we have more questions than answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur


May explain why some mammels lay eggs too.

http://www.aussie-info.com/identity/fauna/platypus.php

[steven lloyd]

Evolution is now fact.

You might want to check out the definition of scientific fact vs. scientific hypothesis supported by evidence - you know, just because you're so certain about all this stuff and all.

[steven lloyd]

... there is no deity such as god. They are right about that and have proved it.

Got a link for that ?