War, Hatred & Oppression

[GordonH]

Its no wonder many on this forum seem to be non religious. When you think of the worlds problems and that most people claim to have a religion, its easy to disregard God. I also think that its the very fact God doesn't seem to be doing anything these days when the worlds in the toilet that many turn to atheism under the guise of science. Point being, all the so called scientific reasons would all go out the door if God appeared to you personally wouldn't they? All of a sudden those ever changing facts you once held dear wouldn't add up to squat.

My point is this: All these so called religions out there claiming to be worshiping God according to the Bible and what Jesus taught, are not worshiping him. His word states he doesn't accept their worship. There would be no wars fought by any Christian ever if these followed what Jesus taught. Blame mankind and these religious hypocrites, not God. As for the next point God has been very active, you just need to know where to look. Case in point, the Bible said the world would be in the toilet in the End days, science promised Utopia. Who's right on that one? Good news on that though, its the last days of wickedness,war,hatred and oppression and yes God is the judge on that one, humans are not. Just my thought for the day, as a Christian I really cant stand so called Christianity and I fully understand why people are turning away in droves. Final thought, God also blames religion for all the bloodshed on the earth. Thats in the last book of the Bible. Bye and have fun with this, but try to be kind with your comments. Believe me I didn't say half of what I wanted too.

You may want re-read the OT great deal of blood was shed in/for by Gods name.

[tryscotty]

True and not ok now according to Jesus. Also the Jews didn't wage war against their brothers. Your reasoning is often said and always wrong. There is no excuse at all according to Jesus and the example of the first century congregation of Christians. What does "love your enemy" mean to you? What does pray for those persecuting you" mean to you? What does return the sword to it's place , everyone using the sword will die by the sword" mean to you? I could quote a dozen more direct rebuttals to your post but I hope for mankind's sake I've said enough. I know I haven't so I'll just end here.

[Glacier]

True and not ok now according to Jesus.

So are you saying that Jesus would be mad about using military force to stop Hitler?

[GordonH]

True and not ok now according to Jesus. Also the Jews didn't wage war against their brothers. Your reasoning is often said and always wrong. There is no excuse at all according to Jesus and the example of the first century congregation of Christians. What does "love your enemy" mean to you? What does pray for those persecuting you" mean to you? What does return the sword to it's place , everyone using the sword will die by the sword" mean to you? I could quote a dozen more direct rebuttals to your post but I hope for mankind's sake I've said enough. I know I haven't so I'll just end here.

Knowing that God the father, the son & holy spirit were their from day 1, Joshua was ordered to kill all who inhabited the promised land. Who gave that order, but of course he fell short and it costed him.

True and not ok now according to Jesus.

So are you saying that Jesus would be mad about using military force to stop Hitler?

Good point Glacier. Waiting your answer tryscotty

[tryscotty]

Reread my first answer. Very much different. Israel was also not to wage war against their brothers. As for hitler? That's the point I made first. www1 and 2 would not have happened if So called Christians didn't support and fight in it. I'm not really wanting to discuss all the justification many use to disobey Jesus command to love, I'm more pointing out that it is not what Jesus taught. Don't blame God, Jesus or the Bible for today's wars. Blame every socalled hypocrite Christian who justifies their not obeying the one whom they claim to follow.

[tryscotty]

Ps. Just in case you don't know. Germany was supposedly Christian as were the Allies. Brother killing brother. Hmm if only the Pope didn't support the Nazis.

[1nick]

Don't blame God, Jesus or the Bible for today's wars. Blame every socalled hypocrite Christian who justifies their not obeying the one whom they claim to follow.

if there's is a god then ya I blame him
he's thee architect of us flawed humans
he know not what he does doesn't apply to him does it?
and please don't give me the "man & free will"bit.

oops...... tryscotty asked that I not respond to his posts..... sorry

[tryscotty]

[quote="nickd"]"tryscotty" wrote: Don't blame God, Jesus or the Bible for today's wars. Blame every socalled hypocrite Christian who justifies their not obeying the one whom they claim to follow.

if there's is a god then ya I blame him
he's thee architect of us flawed humans
he know not what he does doesn't apply to him does it?
and please don't give me the "man & free will"bit.

oops...... tryscotty asked that I not respond to his posts..... sorry[/quote]

Your not banned. It was just that one time. Ps though This thread isn't about your comment. It's about those who do say they believe but Kill or condone the killing of their brothers. Feel free to comment though.

[GordonH]

Reread my first answer. Very much different. Israel was also not to wage war against their brothers. As for hitler? That's the point I made first. www1 and 2 would not have happened if So called Christians didn't support and fight in it. I'm not really wanting to discuss all the justification many use to disobey Jesus command to love, I'm more pointing out that it is not what Jesus taught. Don't blame God, Jesus or the Bible for today's wars. Blame every socalled hypocrite Christian who justifies their not obeying the one whom they claim to follow.

About WW1 & 2 will never know will we tryscotty. As for blood shed threw-out the OT mostly Blessed by God and encouraged. Your lack of responds says it all.

[Glacier]

I think tryscotty has forgotten about context, the Byrds, and Ecclesiastes 3...

There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven ~
A time to give birth, and a time to die; A time to plant, and a time to uproot what is planted.
A time to kill, and a time to heal; A time to tear down, and a time to build up.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; A time to mourn, and a time to dance.
A time to throw stones, and a time to gather stones; A time to embrace, and a time to shun embracing.
A time to search, and a time to give up as lost; A time to keep, and a time to throw away.
A time to tear apart, and a time to sew together; A time to be silent, and a time to speak.
A time to love, and a time to hate; A time for war, and a time for peace.

[tryscotty]

[quote="hockeyfan1970"]"tryscotty" wrote: Reread my first answer. Very much different. Israel was also not to wage war against their brothers. As for hitler? That's the point I made first. www1 and 2 would not have happened if So called Christians didn't support and fight in it. I'm not really wanting to discuss all the justification many use to disobey Jesus command to love, I'm more pointing out that it is not what Jesus taught. Don't blame God, Jesus or the Bible for today's wars. Blame every socalled hypocrite Christian who justifies their not obeying the one whom they claim to follow.

About WW1 & 2 will never know will we tryscotty. As for blood shed threw-out the OT mostly Blessed by God and encouraged. Your lack of responds says it all.[/quote]

GOD did sanction those wars, yes. I'm not sure what you want me to respond too. I'm not disagreeing with you about that. Jesus however gave a new commandment. So is it possible to move out of bce?

[GordonH]

Even Jesus knew that wars and blood shed would continue after his time was done, why else would he have said: "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars."

[tryscotty]

[quote="hockeyfan1970"]Even Jesus knew that wars and blood shed would continue after his time was done, why else would he have said: "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars."[/quote]

Not fought by his true followers. Anyways most agree with you that's why there's so many wars where Christians are involved in. When Jesus sits down to judge based on what he's commanded we will all see. I'm out of this point. Bye. Best to you

[GordonH]

Even Jesus knew that wars and blood shed would continue after his time was done, why else would he have said: "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars."

Not fought by his true followers. Anyways most agree with you that's why there's so many wars where Christians are involved in. When Jesus sits down to judge based on what he's commanded we will all see. I'm out of this point. Bye. Best to you

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[tryscotty]

[quote="hockeyfan1970"]"tryscotty" wrote: "hockeyfan1970" wrote: Even Jesus knew that wars and blood shed would continue after his time was done, why else would he have said: "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars."

Not fought by his true followers. Anyways most agree with you that's why there's so many wars where Christians are involved in. When Jesus sits down to judge based on what he's commanded we will all see. I'm out of this point. Bye. Best to you

Okay.

Just heads up on how to quote... when you are reading the posts if you wish to quote just click on the quote box on the upper right of the post.[/quote]

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