Quantum Moments

[justmyopinion]

I have been going through some ups and downs in life lately and have found myself looking, searching, within to find the answers. I went on a special trip to Vancouver to see my sister and had her take me to a lady she knows who reads planets. I know it sounds kind of hokey, but it was one of the most amazing things I’ve ever experienced. She was dead on. She knew things people could never “guess” and nailed my personality to a tee. Now, although this wasn’t my quantum moment, this is what started it.

I have since looked deeper into my beliefs and asked more questions to my spiritual teachers. I now understand Jesus and God. For years I thought Jesus was not necessarily a real person and that God was just a guy people chose to believe in just to have something to believe in. Later in life, I thought maybe Jesus did exist back in the day and was clearly just misunderstood, and that God was just another name for the Universe. Today, I still do not see them as many probably do but I feel I do understand how they were meant to be seen. “God” is not a human form, but is the Source, the Universe, the Energy we all have in us…we are God. And Jesus was just a teacher of God/Source/Universe, he was a spiritual being trying to teach people that we are all “God”, we all have the Source in us and we should all believe in it, and therefore ourselves and all the things we are capable of.

Humans limit themselves. Dr. Dyer explained this best in the Shift I think. Our only limitations are our imaginations. If you think about it, absolutely everything that exists in this world that man has created started with someone imagining it first, why are you and I any different? We can be what ever we want and because the Source is a part of us, we have the capability to manifest whatever we believe. If people in this life go around angry, jealous, resentful etc, that is what they will attract and those things will snowball. I have since let go of a lot of hurt in my life, questions, uncertainties, and have started to already feel the change.

“If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” – understanding this statement, REALLY understanding it and believing the Source is in me was my quantum moment….I am love.

[cutter7]

I like your post. It kind of reminds me of what hinduism says. There is one god but since god made everything he can be in anything.

[justmyopinion]

Yah - exactly - the way God was described to me is that it's kind of like the ocean...we are each like buckets of water taken from the ocean...we are just as much the same water as the ocean and in time we always return to it one way or the other...

We are not bodies with souls, we are souls with bodies....

[fluffy]

I never could get along with the concept of a supreme being, however you painted Him/Her/It the whole idea of some sort of cosmic consciousness running the show just didn't sit right. I started to think what if "God" was just a name we used to conveniently describe a whole bunch of things, all parts of what you needed to live a good and righteous life. Things like love and charity and compassion and beauty and honesty and knowing right from wrong, you know, the good bits. And what if "God" wasn't so much a controlling influence, but a source of inspiration, a place you could turn to with questions and somehow instinctively know the right answer?

Today I do have a "God" in my life, but he's not the wise old gent with a flowing white beard, a chorus of angels and a big "G" on his sweatshirt, he's something a little more Obiwan Kenobi-ish than that. And the neat thing is, he changes all the time. He's a constantly evolving thing based on life experience and those little "a-ha" moments that pop up every now and then. He's not a bit like he was a few years ago, and I don't expect he'll be the same tomorrow, but I do know my life runs better with him in it.

[fluffy]

I happened across this today, it seems to speak to the idea that God is more a "state of mind" than an exterior presence.

God in the Little Things

I think the Old Testament set me up for expecting God in big, flashy moments—the pillar of fire, the parting of water, the dramatic rescue from lions—all of it showing God’s presence writ large across the pages of human history. When I look for God to intervene in my life, there is part of me that hopes it will be just as dramatic; that I will see evidence of miraculous healings or water turned to wine or even a blinding light on a road.

But in the New Testament many of the interventions were quieter and (on the surface) very ordinary. There were people who talked together, walked from place to place, people who touched each other, people who asked questions and ate together, people who sometimes misunderstood each other and failed to see what was most needed at the time.

I wonder sometimes how I can wake up in a despairing mood, wondering why I can’t sense God’s presence when everywhere around me in the tiny, quiet moments, my life is screaming with evidence of his love: sunrise, sunset every single day again, and a bright blue sky overhead; friends to laugh with, chocolate to eat, hot tea to drink; dogs to pet and socks to put on. In a thousand tiny moments of predictable routine God undergirds my doubt with the quiet persistence of his promise.

Where was God today? Not in a booming voice from the sky or a dramatic conversion. God was in the shoes that protected my feet, in the faucet that gave me clean water, in the softness of late-evening light, and in a thousand seemingly little things that I easily could have missed.

Posted by Rebecca Warren
on her blog "Lovely and All We Have"

[Glacier]

Isn’t “No” an Answer? by Amy Carmichael


Just a tiny little child
Three years old,
And a mother with a heart
All of gold.
Often did that mother say,
Jesus hears us when we pray,
For He’s never far away
And He always answers.

Now, that tiny little child
Had brown eyes,
And she wanted blue instead
Like blue skies.
For her mother’s eyes were blue
Like forget-me-nots. She knew
All her mother said was true,
Jesus always answered.

So she prayed for two blue eyes,
Said “Good night,”
Went to sleep in deep content
And delight.
Woke up early, climbed a chair
By a mirror. Where, O where
Could the blue eyes be? Not there;
Jesus hadn’t answered.

Hadn’t answered her at all;
Never more
Could she pray; her eyes were brown
As before.
Did a little soft wind blow?
Came a whisper soft and low,
“Jesus answered. He said, No;
Isn’t No an answer?”

[forum]

I think all men and women are looking for the same things in life. Just in different places.
I'd suggest following the collective agreement of modern science. It will explain most of your questions.

[fluffy]

I think all men and women are looking for the same things in life. Just in different places.

The ultimate truth. The goal of scientists and mystics alike.

I'd suggest following the collective agreement of modern science. It will explain most of your questions.

Surprisingly, science is increasingly venturing into areas formerly reserved for spiritualists. Parallel dimensions (other worlds), creation and doomsday events ("god" by another name), subatomic particles displaying traits of consciousness...the closer science gets to either the really big picture (cosmology) or the really small picture (quantum physics) the more it enters the realm of theoretical science, where reproducible events and measurable results do not exist, and speculation and fantasy abound. How is this any different from current spiritual pursuits?

[forum]

I think all men and women are looking for the same things in life. Just in different places.

The ultimate truth. The goal of scientists and mystics alike.

I'd suggest following the collective agreement of modern science. It will explain most of your questions.

Surprisingly, science is increasingly venturing into areas formerly reserved for spiritualists. Parallel dimensions (other worlds), creation and doomsday events ("god" by another name), subatomic particles displaying traits of consciousness...the closer science gets to either the really big picture (cosmology) or the really small picture (quantum physics) the more it enters the realm of theoretical science, where reproducible events and measurable results do not exist, and speculation and fantasy abound. How is this any different from current spiritual pursuits?

Hi Fluffy. Scientists are very different than spiritual pursuits. It seems to me you throwing everything into one pot in your statements. Scientists do venture into Spiritual areas of thought, but with very different intentions. With the intentions to explain what is happening to the people that don't have the capacity themselves to understand it. As the scientists begin to understand what is happening, they can and will replicate the event (If safe to do so) to prove their theory. And someone else in the science community must confirm and reproduce the same results. Nothing is ever accepted by a scientist unless it can be proven over and over as truth. Spiritual people tend to be susceptible to believing unproven notions.This is why the snake oil market still thrives to this day.

A long time ago humans believed that the glowing of their ships mast during an electrical storm was the effects of Spirits. They used the term 'spirit candles'. They believed the glowing corona effect of the mast during the lightning storm was an act of God, and his spirits were providing a guiding light for the praying sailors. Someone eventually called it St.Elmo's Fire. Well, along came curious scientists to explain what is really happening to the sailors. There are no spirits involved. The ground is at a certain potential and the storm clouds are at a much higher potential. This high potential difference in electrical charge between the clouds and ground create a build up of electric charge. The high potential energy at the clouds want to desperately get to the ground. A high electrical charge builds on the mast and begins to ionize the air surrounding it, creating a faint glow as gas and plasma forms during the process. This corona effect can be replicated over and over successfully without any spirits or god present. It is often seen on high voltage power distribution lines where a sharp point may occur. Electricians try to minimize the corona effects by smoothing out the transmission equipments design. Scientists have taken their knowledge and applied it to many industries such as NEON Lighting.

Spirits and ghosts. When someone "saw or heard a ghost". There never was a ghost. What happened was the wind blew a door shut, or they caught a reflection out of the corner of their eye. Now when it is night time, and we catch something out of the corner of our eye or hear a strange sound, our body begins it's natural defense mechanisms to protect itself. This mean sensitive hearing, adrenaline, and overall acute senses. Something else comes into play. Our brain. Our brain immediately tries reasoning as to what the sound or noise was and begins searching itself and trying to rationalize between fight or flight. Was it a cat? Was it a human? Was it Dad getting a snack from the fridge? Is it a grizzly bear? Is it too late? Our brain is also great at putting together patterns. If the reflection was in the shape of a human figure, our imagination and brain will convince us it was a human body. This is why when someone tells me that a place is Haunted, I walk right in and welcome the spirits to join me. Of course the spirits never do and I sleep like a baby. Because I am the reality of things, and they are not.

[fluffy]

The point I was trying to make forum, is that there is much we simply do not understand yet, and scientists are the first to admit this. The very nature of human consciousness, our perceptions of the world around us and the way we interpret those perceptions, human interaction at levels beyond the physical world, these are still in relatively uncharted territory. I don't have any problem with those who take a pragmatic approach, choosing to wait until irrefutable proof is present before buying into any new idea, but it does have the effect of closing ones mind to the infinite possibilities around us. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. It is possible to maintain a spiritual belief system that is not in conflict with the current extent of scientific knowledge, in fact there is a lot of interesting reading on the market that does show that the scientific and spiritual worlds are drawing closer together as our knowledge grows. A major stumbling block is a lot of the Christian teachings that hang on to the idea that the Bible is an accurate historic account and continue to disseminate ideas that cross the bounds of rational thought. This extends even to the part of society that claims no spiritual beliefs, who have bought into the concept of a conscious God engaged in active management of our day to day lives as promoted by many Christian religions to the exclusion of interpretations of the whole "God" idea that remain within the world of plausibility.

[Glacier]

Hi Fluffy. Scientists are very different than spiritual pursuits. It seems to me you throwing everything into one pot in your statements. Scientists do venture into Spiritual areas of thought, but with very different intentions.

I get the impression you fallaciously conclude that scientific pursuits and spiritual pursuits are mutually exclusive pursuits.

[forum]

The point I was trying to make forum, is that there is much we simply do not understand yet, and scientists are the first to admit this. The very nature of human consciousness, our perceptions of the world around us and the way we interpret those perceptions, human interaction at levels beyond the physical world, these are still in relatively uncharted territory. I don't have any problem with those who take a pragmatic approach, choosing to wait until irrefutable proof is present before buying into any new idea, but it does have the effect of closing ones mind to the infinite possibilities around us. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. It is possible to maintain a spiritual belief system that is not in conflict with the current extent of scientific knowledge, in fact there is a lot of interesting reading on the market that does show that the scientific and spiritual worlds are drawing closer together as our knowledge grows. A major stumbling block is a lot of the Christian teachings that hang on to the idea that the Bible is an accurate historic account and continue to disseminate ideas that cross the bounds of rational thought. This extends even to the part of society that claims no spiritual beliefs, who have bought into the concept of a conscious God engaged in active management of our day to day lives as promoted by many Christian religions to the exclusion of interpretations of the whole "God" idea that remain within the world of plausibility.

Good point fluffy. Great discussion!