There's probably no god.

[Mr. Personality]

Your choice...

You lost me.

You may need to get away from your mechanistic living patterns for a while.

I'd invite you to my wilderness retreat for some recentering of your soul but it would likely be a waste of your time...

Umm...okay...?
Why are you luring me to your cabin in the woods with non-sensical posts?

[Born_again]

This outrageous atheist "logic" of moral superiority is like .......

It sounds to me like you are projecting some inner demons that haunt you by misguiding some kind of twisted yearned-for reality upon your enemy. It will not work that way. You need to ask yourself why you think "moral superiority" each time you think of Atheists. It's dogging you, but why?
Moral deeds are what count, and if the count does not stack up in your favour then please don't try to negatively smear those that abide by a reasoned, contemplative and introspectively-gained code of ethics and morals without reason. They are using organic means, and oft-times they get it wrong; just as your source for morals does. The difference is that they are allowed to modify and correct their source as they learn the errors of their ways, but for you to do so would create a problem. A big problem.

Failing that, you would do well to consider the passage from the Bible: 'Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.' It is a very good foundation if ever you decide to 'go it alone', when it comes to constructing your own morals.

The Nazis and Italian Fascists thought they held a higher moral ground too because the catholic church did not object to their actions and the church did, in fact, lend support to these evil entities....

This statement alone proves that you may be capable of thought independent of bias. That would all depend on whether you are a Catholic or not, though. Nearly!

Atheists are not born as atheists. They become so by living in a state of denial about the consequences of their free will actions and learn to use atheism as a "get out of jail free" card in order to rationalize these actions in their mind, much the same way a person with a bipolar disorder is unable to corelate their actions with the damages that these actions may have caused to others.

It's funny how you mention "bipolar". Anyway ....

Atheists are not born as Atheists? OK, pray tell, what are they born as? Moslems, Jews, Hindi, FSM, other?

I love the use of the "get out of jail free card" business. One day you will actually demonstrate to us how you make the association? Maybe?

Atheists apparently learn morality by rote, the same way a dog learns not to crap on the living room rug. By being scolded and having their noses rubbed into their own mess. They live their lives as a selfish crapshoot without a thought to the mayhem this will cause to the rest of us.

I've had my suspicions, 5VP, but now I am convinced that you are a troll. "Atheists apparently learn morality by rote". Did you think before you posted? I now believe you have malicious intent, and that you mean harm to those of Faith.
I believe you are trolling, in an attempt to embarrass your so-called brethren by degrees.

I'm sorry, 5VP, but I'm going to have to let you go.

[5VP]

How

This outrageous atheist "logic" of moral superiority is like .......

It sounds to me like you are projecting some inner demons that haunt you by misguiding some kind of twisted yearned-for reality upon your enemy. It will not work that way. You need to ask yourself why you think "moral superiority" each time you think of Atheists. It's dogging you, but why?
Moral deeds are what count, and if the count does not stack up in your favour then please don't try to negatively smear those that abide by a reasoned, contemplative and introspectively-gained code of ethics and morals without reason. They are using organic means, and oft-times they get it wrong; just as your source for morals does. The difference is that they are allowed to modify and correct their source as they learn the errors of their ways, but for you to do so would create a problem. A big problem.

Failing that, you would do well to consider the passage from the Bible: 'Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.' It is a very good foundation if ever you decide to 'go it alone', when it comes to constructing your own morals.

The Nazis and Italian Fascists thought they held a higher moral ground too because the catholic church did not object to their actions and the church did, in fact, lend support to these evil entities....

This statement alone proves that you may be capable of thought independent of bias. That would all depend on whether you are a Catholic or not, though. Nearly!

Atheists are not born as atheists. They become so by living in a state of denial about the consequences of their free will actions and learn to use atheism as a "get out of jail free" card in order to rationalize these actions in their mind, much the same way a person with a bipolar disorder is unable to corelate their actions with the damages that these actions may have caused to others.

It's funny how you mention "bipolar". Anyway ....

Atheists are not born as Atheists? OK, pray tell, what are they born as? Moslems, Jews, Hindi, FSM, other?

I love the use of the "get out of jail free card" business. One day you will actually demonstrate to us how you make the association? Maybe?

Atheists apparently learn morality by rote, the same way a dog learns not to crap on the living room rug. By being scolded and having their noses rubbed into their own mess. They live their lives as a selfish crapshoot without a thought to the mayhem this will cause to the rest of us.

I've had my suspicions, 5VP, but now I am convinced that you are a troll. "Atheists apparently learn morality by rote". Did you think before you posted? I now believe you have malicious intent, and that you mean harm to those of Faith.
I believe you are trolling, in an attempt to embarrass your so-called brethren by degrees.

I'm sorry, 5VP, but I'm going to have to let you go.

WOW!!

How hilariously judgemental, hypocritical, shallow and shortsighted of someone claiming to "Born Again" to assume authority to pass judgement on me.

You have to ask what atheists are born as?

Are we not all humans??

Atheism is the philosophical choice made by the individual human as the resultant guilt byproduct of living a free will life without obeying the the strictures of god's will. It's a childish excuse to avoid responsibilty for one's selfish actions; hence the "get outa jail free" analogy.

I have faith in God and Jesus Christ which is personal and obviously separate from religiously based dogmatic interpretations of the words of god.

I stopped going to church at 12 yrs old but did not stop reading the bible or other scriptures from a variety of faiths.

Religious dogma has tainted the words of god and I believe people would be better off not going to church but spending time in silent sojourn with god's creations in nature.

I live in a remote area where there are no mechanistic and anxiety driven human distractions. Most urban folks on this forum live their lives amongst the noise, fossil fuel pollution and stressed pissedoffedness of the average urban environment.

Constant noise fills your senses 24/7. You wake up to an alarm and the background din of traffic or aircraft or sirens or boats or radios and tv etc. to go to a job to pay for the stuff that advertising tells you will make you happier. All day long you are being directed by traffic lights, signs, laws, advertising etc. You go to church on Sunday and assume that your minister and church philosophy have this "God Thing" aced.

How much of your life is actually happening by your choice and how much are you being influenced by the need to "keep up with the Jones' ?"(another analogy common in the vernacular)

Contrast this noise of how 99% of you here live your daily lives with the way I live and you may begin to understand the divide between my chosen path and faith and your own.

Fresh air, wilderness, wild creatures, peace and stillness are my daily inspirations and gifts from god.

Peace all...

[Nebula]

Atheism is the philosophical choice made by the individual human as the resultant guilt byproduct of living a free will life without obeying the the strictures of god's will. It's a childish excuse to avoid responsibilty for one's selfish actions; hence the "get outa jail free" analogy.

Where do you get this stuff from? Do you just sit there and dream it up?

If anything, atheism is about taking personal responsibility and ridding oneself of the childish excuses of, "The devil made me do it", "it's god's fault", etc.

[Mr. Personality]

Atheism is the philosophical choice made by the individual human as the resultant guilt byproduct of living a free will life without obeying the the strictures of god's will. It's a childish excuse to avoid responsibilty for one's selfish actions; hence the "get outa jail free" analogy.

From now on could you please make sure you have at least the slightest idea what you're talking about, please.
I'm not an Atheist by any means, but that's just insulting to anyone who is.
Personally, I'm offended by the ignorance of your words.

[Born_again]

Atheism is the philosophical choice made by the individual human as the resultant guilt byproduct of living a free will life without obeying the the strictures of god's will. It's a childish excuse to avoid responsibilty for one's selfish actions; hence the "get outa jail free" analogy.

From now on could you please make sure you have at least the slightest idea what you're talking about, please.
I'm not an Atheist by any means, but that's just insulting to anyone who is.
Personally, I'm offended by the ignorance of your words.

As I said before, I suspect he is a troll. My best guess at the moment is that he is an Atheist wannabe that is hell-bent on demonstrating some of the uglier aspects of Christian/religious fervour(as he perceives it) to make a point. The give-away is that most of his words are taken straight from a Creationists "how to argue with an Atheist" handbook. There is nothing Christian or God fearing in him as far as I can see. Just a troll.

[Mr. Personality]

As I said before, I suspect he is a troll.

So a troll tried to lure me to his cabin in the woods using non-sensical posts.
This day just gets weirder and weirder.

[Born_again]

As I said before, I suspect he is a troll.

So a troll tried to lure me to his cabin in the woods using non-sensical posts.
This day just gets weirder and weirder.

Your mind is just too mechanistically driven to comprehend anything right now, but do I know a place deep in the valley of ......

[Mr. Personality]

As I said before, I suspect he is a troll.

So a troll tried to lure me to his cabin in the woods using non-sensical posts.
This day just gets weirder and weirder.

Your mind is just too mechanistically driven to comprehend anything right now, but do I know a place deep in the valley of ......

I must admit, I'm morbidly curious about the recentering of my soul. I wonder what that would involve.

[1nick]

a banjo and squeeling like a pig

[Mr. Personality]

a banjo and squeeling like a pig

Pfft. I can't play the banjo. Forget it.

[fluffy]

Atheism is the philosophical choice made by the individual human as the resultant guilt byproduct of living a free will life without obeying the the strictures of god's will. It's a childish excuse to avoid responsibilty for one's selfish actions; hence the "get outa jail free" analogy.

That about does it for me. You are an arrogant, self-righteous boor and I've had enough. Welcome to my ignore list, it's not a long list, but rest assured you'll be in the company of people just like you. You're welcome to pass judgement on how they chose to live their lives, but I doubt they'll be any more receptive than me.

[Mr. Personality]

Atheism is the philosophical choice made by the individual human as the resultant guilt byproduct of living a free will life without obeying the the strictures of god's will. It's a childish excuse to avoid responsibilty for one's selfish actions; hence the "get outa jail free" analogy.

That about does it for me. You are an arrogant, self-righteous boor and I've had enough. Welcome to my ignore list, it's not a long list, but rest assured you'll be in the company of people just like you. You're welcome to pass judgement on how they chose to live their lives, but I doubt they'll be any more receptive than me.

Wow.
Reached into the vault for that one. Nice work!

[fluffy]

I like to think I'm pretty open-minded, and that everyone has something to offer no matter who they are, but I've come to the conclusion that this guy, to use his own analogy, has so much racket of his own making going on inside that whatever voice his God is using is getting drowned out.

In parting I offer this to 5VP: If God is telling you that it is okay to ridicule, insult, judge and demean others because their beliefs differ from yours, then it's likely Satan in disguise. He's a clever bugger you know.

[Mr. Personality]

I like to think I'm pretty open-minded, and that everyone has something to offer no matter who they are, but I've come to the conclusion that this guy, to use his own analogy, has so much racket of his own making going on inside that whatever voice his God is using is getting drowned out.

I wouldn't know, I'm...uh...oh here it is, too entrenched in my...mechanistic living patterns and need my....uh...recentering of my sould, which can only be done by 5VP in a cabin in the woods.
I think I agree, though.

In parting I offer this to 5VP: If God is telling you that it is okay to ridicule, insult, judge and demean others because their beliefs differ from yours, then it's likely Satan in disguise. He's a clever bugger you know.