Evolution anyone?

[Driscoll]

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If you have proof of one species changing to another all you have to do is show it and the debate ends right here.

This should do it for you cutter7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2QhJVO0_98

[cutter7]

If you have proof of one species changing to another all you have to do is show it and the debate ends right here.

This should do it for you cutter7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2QhJVO0_98

We have been compared to apes as long as I can remember this video while interesting shows no proof of one species evolving to another.

If you believe that is how we evolved this must be what we are evolving in to.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64283014@N ... hotostream

[Driscoll]

We have been compared to apes as long as I can remember this video while interesting shows no proof of one species evolving to another.

What would you consider 'proof of one species evolving into another'?

[kelownalongtime]

Genetic tests comparing DNA from humans, chimps, gorillas and orang-utans reveal striking similarities in the way chimps and humans evolve that set them apart from the others.

The finding adds weight to a controversial proposal to scrap the long-used chimp genus "Pan" and reclassify the animals as members of the human family. The move would give chimps a new place in creation's pecking order alongside humans, the only survivor of the genus *bleep*.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/ ... reducation

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http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/May ... ps.kr.html

If I were a creationist, reading that article would pretty much end it for me.

[36Drew]

If you have proof of one species changing to another all you have to do is show it and the debate ends right here.

This should do it for you cutter7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2QhJVO0_98

We have been compared to apes as long as I can remember this video while interesting shows no proof of one species evolving to another.

If you believe that is how we evolved this must be what we are evolving in to.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64283014@N ... hotostream

If you believe wide sweeping change that causes one species to magically become another is evolution, then you have not understanding of what evolution is, my friend. Science has never purported that we've come from apes. It has purported that humans and apes share a common ancestor. Over the course of time - climate, geography, natural selection - has caused that common ancestor to develop distinct traits.

There are several examples of modern day natural selection that science has studied and continues to study.

Elephants - prized for their ivory tusks. In 1998, researchers at the Queen Elizabeth National Park in Uganda noticed that 15% of females and 9% of males were born without tusks. In 1930, that figure was 1% for both sexes. It is currently sitting at around the 30% mark.

The peppered moth - has a tendancy to hang out on lichen-covered trees. The peppered moth was so-named because it has a salt-and-pepper pattern on it but occasionally a dark-coloured variant appears. However, the dark variant seems to have become the prevalent colouring over time as the lichens that it hangs out on has a shorter life span and dies then darkens much sooner. The lighter-coloured moths succumbed to predation.

Now - I know that you're just going to counter that the above are abnormalities. But that's what evolution is - "abnormalities" that appear and become the norm, over time.

[cutter7]

I do believe in evolution its obvious by the traits we see by breeding with people from other countries what I do not believe is that one species has evolved into another. My big question for evolutionists is how can they explain life forming from inert matter?

As far as the elephants being born without tusks I find it hard to believe that an elephant would know it was being killed for its tusks leading to their off spring being born without.

Bears are being killed for their gall bladders do you suppose they will stop being born with those to stop predation too?

[fluffy]

My big question for evolutionists is how can they explain life forming from inert matter?

You mean like dust?

[JLives]

I do believe in evolution its obvious by the traits we see by breeding with people from other countries what I do not believe is that one species has evolved into another. My big question for evolutionists is how can they explain life forming from inert matter?

As far as the elephants being born without tusks I find it hard to believe that an elephant would know it was being killed for its tusks leading to their off spring being born without.

Bears are being killed for their gall bladders do you suppose they will stop being born with those to stop predation too?

How would an elephant know not to grow tusks or even be able to not grow them? Those with the genetic mutation that did not create tusks would not have been killed for them and therefor be allowed to mate spreading the mutation through the gene pool.

Bears would have to born with a genetic mutation of no gall bladder to allow that to occur.

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I do believe in evolution its obvious by the traits we see by breeding with people from other countries what I do not believe is that one species has evolved into another. My big question for evolutionists is how can they explain life forming from inert matter?

As far as the elephants being born without tusks I find it hard to believe that an elephant would know it was being killed for its tusks leading to their off spring being born without.

Bears are being killed for their gall bladders do you suppose they will stop being born with those to stop predation too?

The best an elephant can do against humans harvesting it's tusks is defend itself. We all know who's winning that battle. The elephant will not stop growing his tusks because it is part of his genetic code. The elephants will face extinction.

Bears also face the same the same extinction if they are being killed for their gall bladder before they can mate and raise a cub.

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Now - I know that you're just going to counter that the above are abnormalities. But that's what evolution is - "abnormalities" that appear and become the norm, over time.

Abnormalities only survive if the surrounding environment permits. Elephants without tusks may only be rising because humans are protecting their species from extinction.

[36Drew]

I do believe in evolution its obvious by the traits we see by breeding with people from other countries what I do not believe is that one species has evolved into another. My big question for evolutionists is how can they explain life forming from inert matter?

Different scientific theory. In fact, let's break down the scientific stance on evolution.

Evolution (Natural Selection. That any given species will change over a period of time to adapt to predation, climate, geography, etc): Scientific fact. It has been observed repeatedly through the ages. Something that can be observed and described is therefore considered to be a fact.

Speciation by Natural Selection (that given enough time, through evolution, new species will appear): The current working theory first hypothesized by Charles Darwing. The "theory" that Creationists mistakenly refer to as the theory of Evolution. BTW - Darwin regretted using the term "Natural Selection" and wished he had used the term "Natural Preservation" instead).

Abiogenesis (the theory of the formation of biological life from inorganic matter through natural process): Your big question. It has nothing to do with the previous two points and is off-topic on the topic of evolution. If you wish to discuss Abiogenesis, you should start a new thread.

As far as the elephants being born without tusks I find it hard to believe that an elephant would know it was being killed for its tusks leading to their off spring being born without.

Then you completely and entirely miss the point of natural selection. If one predator, let's call it "Man", hunts a given species, let's call it "Elephants", and prefers (during the hunt, or "predation") prey ("Elephants") with a given trait ("large ivory tusks"), then the prey that has a tendency to not exhibit that trait ("small or no ivory tusks") will become predominant and more likely to mate. If that trait is a genetic disposition (in this case it is), then the resulting offspring will in turn exhibit the same trait.

Homework: using the above example, extrapolate why the peppered moth has stopped being "peppered" in colour. It's pretty easy....

[Glacier]

Homework: using the above example, extrapolate why the peppered moth has stopped being "peppered" in colour. It's pretty easy....

Since when did the peppered moth stop being peppered?