Do atheists disavow Satan the same as they disavow God?

[zzontar]

I'm an Atheist with a pico-fraction of agnosticism, so if it ever did turn out that there was a god, the first thing I'd say to him is that:
"Given that you have killed an estimated 25 million of your subjects(of which 2,476,633 people were individually accounted for) according to your bible alone, and Satan killed just 10(and you, God, had a hand in 7 of those murders too, you naughty boy!!); I think I'll just go ahead and pitch my tent in Satan's camp. Any problems with that, God?"

Hmmm, you're always unconvinced without proof... you seem convinced you know who the murderer is... any shred of proof that would hold up in any court, or would you just make a bad jury member?

No, not a single shred, as you put it. Thank you for being honest.

That's a pretty harsh accusation then, wouldn't you think?

[Born_again]

If the bible is fake, then no, it is not harsh on anyone/thing.
If the bible is the true inspired word of God, then no, it would be fully justified.

[zzontar]

Let me get this straight, it's not harsh to call someone a murderer if it was just a rumour started by someone else?

[Born_again]

Let me get this straight, it's not harsh to call someone a murderer if it was just a rumour started by someone else?

Relevance? You are talking in tongues again, zzontar.

[zzontar]

You gave two choices... you figure out which one I was talking about.

[Born_again]

Consider this:

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

Consider it again, then apply it to what I have said.

[zzontar]

Blasphemy is indeed a victimless crime in the same way saying aliens are goofs would be... agreed?

[zensiert]

Because you can't have one without the other...

There is no God, and there is no Devil.
There is no Good, and there is no Evil.
There is only empathy, and the lack of it and/or the lack of will to act on it.

[DerKaiser]

I'm an Atheist with a pico-fraction of agnosticism, so if it ever did turn out that there was a god, the first thing I'd say to him is that:
"Given that you have killed an estimated 25 million of your subjects(of which 2,476,633 people were individually accounted for) according to your bible alone, and Satan killed just 10(and you, God, had a hand in 7 of those murders too, you naughty boy!!); I think I'll just go ahead and pitch my tent in Satan's camp. Any problems with that, God?"

Well let's see... If Satan is responsible for all the sin in this world, wouldn't he be the one responsible for ALL of the people killed by GOD (judge) because of sin?

[zensiert]

I'm an Atheist with a pico-fraction of agnosticism, so if it ever did turn out that there was a god, the first thing I'd say to him is that:
"Given that you have killed an estimated 25 million of your subjects(of which 2,476,633 people were individually accounted for) according to your bible alone, and Satan killed just 10(and you, God, had a hand in 7 of those murders too, you naughty boy!!); I think I'll just go ahead and pitch my tent in Satan's camp. Any problems with that, God?"

Well let's see... If Satan is responsible for all the sin in this world, wouldn't he be the one responsible for ALL of the people killed by GOD (judge) because of sin?

A judge who is also an executioner is typically considered to be a psychopathic murderer. And therefore, by common definition, evil.

Ergo, by induction (the tool of Religion) God is Evil. Tah-daaah!

[5VP]

Because you can't have one without the other...

There is no God, and there is no Devil.
There is no Good, and there is no Evil.
There is only empathy, and the lack of it and/or the lack of will to act on it.

I'm pretty sure my dogs are atheists too, but I wouldn't stake my soul on it even though they do exhibit empathy...

[cliffy1]

I'm pretty sure my dogs are atheists too, but I wouldn't stake my soul on it even though they do exhibit empathy...

Only humans seem to have a need for a supreme being. With a dog, if it can't eat it or hump it, he'll just *bleep* on it. Seems like a very atheistic outlook to me.

[fluffy]

In the sense of accepting or not accepting the existence of supernatural beings I would have to lump God and Satan together, you either do or you don't. So my answer would be "yes".

I passed on joining this thread when it first appeared as it pretty much seemed like a no-brainer. How could one believe in one without the other? In counterpoint, how could one dismiss the idea of the cosmic good-guy without doing the same for the cosmic bad-guy? This, to me, is just another example of the conflict bred by a literalist interpretation of the Bible, and further shows that a metaphorical view of the same text to be just one path among many to a destination we all seek in life, a little peace of mind and perhaps some purpose and fulfillment, a shot at coming to terms with our place in the big picture.

[cliffy1]

Satan is alive and doing well in Christianity. His greatest accomplishment was convincing people he is god.

The problem comes from the fragmented thinking of duality. Us and them, left and right, good and evil. There is no duality. Everything in creation is unified, inter dependent and inter related. Nothing exists in isolation. The Universe is oneness. All the rest of that nonsense is fractured thinking. God is Satan and vise versa.

[fluffy]

Is that a perceptual thing? LIke no light and dark but light and absence of light? Or evil not being a thing unto itself but rather the absence of good?