Haiti - it's NOT about "aid"

[zzontar]

ON TOPIC ... I said this story wasn't about atheism.

it's about helping under the guise of converting people (in this case young people)

Seems to be on topic to me. You seem to think converting is only for the religious, and they were probably not even "converting" as most Haitians are Christian anyway.

[Type_O]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2085619/Haiti-earthquake-2010-2-years-lest-forget-.html

...To all those fantastically bigoted and risibly myopic Christian fundamentalists who said the earthquake was God’s will: the providential design and mysterious workings of an omnipotent, benevolent deity my *bleep*! Please don’t ever attempt to rationalize human suffering in such theologically remote and abstract terms.

Try telling the orphaned five year old girl with one leg and a gangrenous stump for the other, crying out through clenched teeth for her mum in Port-au-Prince that it is all God’s will. To do so is not only untrue and unjust, but palpably diminishes your own (questionable) humanity.....

[cliffy1]

I'll weigh in on granmafreddy's side. The last thing these people need is a bunch of religious fanatics. This is outright exploitation at its worst - manipulating starving children. Might be great for the egos of these ego maniacs but will do little to improve the lives of these kids. Once these do gooders leave Haiti the kids will still be struggling to survive. So, they can kick a soccer ball. Big Deal! Haitians are Catholcs for the most part. They don't need god or Jesus, they already have them. There is nobody more despicable than missionaries and their superior attitudes preying on the down trodden.

[Hmmm]

I'll weigh in on granmafreddy's side. The last thing these people need is a bunch of religious fanatics. This is outright exploitation at its worst - manipulating starving children. Might be great for the egos of these ego maniacs but will do little to improve the lives of these kids. Once these do gooders leave Haiti the kids will still be struggling to survive. So, they can kick a soccer ball. Big Deal! Haitians are Catholcs for the most part. They don't need god or Jesus, they already have them. There is nobody more despicable than missionaries and their superior attitudes preying on the down trodden.

How do you know this church group is going to exploit these people? If they're going to try to help them AND teach them good living practices that are helpful, whats the issue? Because Jesus said " treat others as you would like to be treated"? You have to admit thats a good principle to live by.

[Type_O]

Church group planning Haiti aid project
....The camp is designed to host up to 200 Haitian school children per week teaching them health care, life skills, and how to live in a growing, changing world – all from a biblical perspective.[/quote]

Their Biblical perspective - (outlined on page 1) from the C3 church website.

How do you know this church group is going to exploit these people? If they're going to try to help them AND teach them good living practices that are helpful, whats the issue? Because Jesus said " treat others as you would like to be treated"? You have to admit thats a good principle to live by.

It must be convenient to be able to look the other way when religion is veiled as an "aid project".

[TyrianQuill]

  
 
“IF” an offer to help comes and is supplied without “any” direct or subtle propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda, that is fine, then it is genuine help, but ”ANY” inference and/or introduction contaminates, and the help is converted into a tool ... Yes the people still receive help, but in so are being directly or indirectly indoctrinated.

Such blatant perversion of "help," to intelligence is abhorrent and repugnant.

With the sense of justice and fair play, I think, this is why "religion” in the minds of the thinking, has turned from being respected to being infamous, the religious use and abuse what they so emphatically tout and profess.

Belief and faith are individual, religion is a group or is a political entity which use, and, very skilfully, manipulate to self-preserve in the name/disguise of help kindness and comfort.

And so I reiterate:

"IF" an offer to help comes and is supplied without “any” direct or subtle propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda, that is fine, then it is genuine help, but ”ANY” inference and/or introduction contaminates, and the help is converted into a tool ...

[Type_O]

The real 'Hope for Haiti' -http://www.hopeforhaiti.com
IS partnered with http://www.buildOn.org and http://www.motherteresa.org.

I looked up Camp Mahanaim and, to my astonishment;
Hope for Haiti is plastered on their website and IS NOT the same project : http://www.kamloopshaiti.ca/camp.html
is partnered with http://www.harvestim.org - Harvest International Ministry (HIM), a money for profit ministry. (check out the website).

[zzontar]

The real 'Hope for Haiti' -http://www.hopeforhaiti.com
IS partnered with http://www.buildOn.org and http://www.mothertheresa.org.

I looked up Camp Mahanaim and, to my astonishment;
Hope for Haiti is plastered on their website and IS NOT the same project : http://www.kamloopshaiti.ca/camp.html
is partnered with http://www.harvestim.org - Harvest International Ministry (HIM), a money for profit ministry. (check out the website).

Do you have a link to the camp's website?

[Type_O]

Do you have a link to the camp's website?

Try typing in Camp Mahanaim in the google section of your screen and hit return. Should work for you, too.

[zzontar]

It doesn't

[Type_O]

https://c3church.donortools.com/my/funds/43458-Haiti-Mission-Trip-March-2012

[zzontar]

Thanks, but that's not the camp's website. You stated you were looking on their website, could you provide a link to that? I can't find one.

[Type_O]

  
 
“IF” an offer to help comes and is supplied without “any” direct or subtle propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda, that is fine, then it is genuine help, but ”ANY” inference and/or introduction contaminates, and the help is converted into a tool ... Yes the people still receive help, but in so are being directly or indirectly indoctrinated.

Such blatant perversion of "help," to intelligence is abhorrent and repugnant.

With the sense of justice and fair play, I think, this is why "religion” in the minds of the thinking, has turned from being respected to being infamous, the religious use and abuse what they so emphatically tout and profess.

Belief and faith are individual, religion is a group or is a political entity which use, and, very skilfully, manipulate to self-preserve in the name/disguise of help kindness and comfort.

And so I reiterate:

"IF" an offer to help comes and is supplied without “any” direct or subtle propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda, that is fine, then it is genuine help, but ”ANY” inference and/or introduction contaminates, and the help is converted into a tool ...

Completely bang on. Cheers.

[Hmmm]

Is this group going to be helping people in Haiti? Are they going to help people who don't accept their message? Is there something bad this group is doing? I don't agree with their teachings I'm just not sure where the issue is. Church groups have been going to disasters and giving real aid to people for years, all Bible teaching aside.

Besides the obvious, that this group will be teaching their beliefs to the people they aid, what are they doing wrong? If they will Help ALL people, even thoughs who disagree with their teachings, is that a problem?

[Type_O]

Thanks, but that's not the camp's website. You stated you were looking on their website, could you provide a link to that? I can't find one.

Highlight these words with your mouse - Camp Mahanaim - now right click your mouse, highlight "Web Search Pro for Camp Mahanaim" and left click on images. Viola!