Looks like design to me

[Hmmm]

40 plus parts and none have any function useful without the whole. PS. looks and functions like a rotary motor. I know they must have evolved at the same time right? .

If you have something constructive to say about this feel free, if you're just going to spew hate and insults....get a life.

[Nebula]

I may be missing something but am I to ascertain from your post that because you think a cell looks like a motor, there must be a god?

[JLives]

No, it did not evolve at the same time. Yes, it is amazing.

[cliffy1]

Fanciful diagram! I like it. Meaningless, but I like the graphics. Someone spent a lot of time with Illustrator to put that together, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why.

[Hmmm]

I may be missing something but am I to ascertain from your post that because you think a cell looks like a motor, there must be a god?

if you saw a large scale model of this on display somewhere, you would assume someone created it. When its smaller than the human eye, that same person may say it just happened. The model has a designer but the original? I'm glad I see a designers intelligence in this.

And Cliffy, have you ever seen this before? Do you know what it is? Have you given it any clear well thought out researched thought? This one thing goes against evolution. There is no reason that these 40 parts are there and they didn't somehow evolve and than come together to form this unique masterful design looking bacteria. If it did evolve than scientist better start rewriting...again their theory.

[Nebula]

Hmmm, I have learned over the years that just because you think something should be so does not make it so.

If that diagram gives you the evidence you need to believe in your god, then so be it.

It is not evidence of anything to me.

[JLives]

http://pmrb.net/blog/tag/flagellar-motor/

It is a flaggellar motor. It is supposedly held up as an example of irreducible complexity which is not true upon closer inspection.

[gardengirl]

Pogue carbeurator?

[Hmmm]

http://pmrb.net/blog/tag/flagellar-motor/

It is a flaggellar motor. It is supposedly held up as an example of irreducible complexity which is not true upon closer inspection.

You mean to say some scientists disagree with design? No way! I'm glad I'm not so smart to look at a design and say nah. it won't matter what you show scientists in today's climate, they just tow the line.

[cliffy1]

I may be missing something but am I to ascertain from your post that because you think a cell looks like a motor, there must be a god?

if you saw a large scale model of this on display somewhere, you would assume someone created it. When its smaller than the human eye, that same person may say it just happened. The model has a designer but the original? I'm glad I see a designers intelligence in this.

And Cliffy, have you ever seen this before? Do you know what it is? Have you given it any clear well thought out researched thought? This one thing goes against evolution. There is no reason that these 40 parts are there and they didn't somehow evolve and than come together to form this unique masterful design looking bacteria. If it did evolve than scientist better start rewriting...again their theory.

Hmmm, yes I know what it is supposed to be representing, but it has no resemblance to the actual so called motor. It is a fanciful representation, nothing more. There is no need to rewrite any theories. The world is not black and white like you would like it to be but it is shades of grey and colour which is the realm of science. Although I do have a belief in the possibility of a creator, there is no tangible evidence that it has anything to do with us personally or the evolution of life on this planet. It may have set the gears in motion but there is no proof to justify thinking it had anything more to do with it.

Faith is based on intangibles that cannot and never will be proven or disproven by science. That doesn't mean that the intangible does or does not exist, but it makes belief in it not much more than a fairy tale. My faith is based on personal experience and does not rely on any external proof, books or teachers. Opponents of religion are left incredulous by dogma, which is a requirement of religion, for good reason. People who believe in ID and creationism only give nonbelievers good reason for their opinions.

[cliffy1]

http://pmrb.net/blog/tag/flagellar-motor/

It is a flaggellar motor. It is supposedly held up as an example of irreducible complexity which is not true upon closer inspection.

You mean to say some scientists disagree with design? No way! I'm glad I'm not so smart to look at a design and say nah. it won't matter what you show scientists in today's climate, they just tow the line.

Is that not what you are doing?

[Hmmm]

http://pmrb.net/blog/tag/flagellar-motor/

It is a flaggellar motor. It is supposedly held up as an example of irreducible complexity which is not true upon closer inspection.

You mean to say some scientists disagree with design? No way! I'm glad I'm not so smart to look at a design and say nah. it won't matter what you show scientists in today's climate, they just tow the line.

Is that not what you are doing?

I do make a choice to look at something that is clearly not a blob and assign design to it. I understand some people would prefer to see random cosmic events out of control and somehow forming all this amazing life we see around us. I see clear evidence if a design, hence a designer.

[fluffy]

I see clear evidence if a design, hence a designer.

Your evidence is circumstantial at best. It gives rise to suspicion, but does not constitute proof. An appropriate context for your theory would be "I don't know for sure but..."

[5VP]

Other intelligent design evidence??

http://www.tonmo.com/science/public/gcwalla.php

Particularly the design and functionality of the suckers...

Designed evolution??

[fluffy]

Of course the thought that anything could change to adapt to its environment is preposterous, right?

[/smartass]