Freedom from religion is a human right

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Sorry. Without support, I'll take my ideas elsewhere.

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You an atheist?
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Wrong. There is a monumental difference between the word OF and FROM. FREEDOM OF RELIGION IS A HUMAN RIGHT, and that includes the freedom to practice no religion.
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I don't think anybody is forcing you into any sort of religion. Don't want to participate, then don't.

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Especially after Taco Bell.
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averagejoe wrote:You an atheist?


Nope
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Glacier wrote:Wrong. There is a monumental difference between the word OF and FROM. FREEDOM OF RELIGION IS A HUMAN RIGHT, and that includes the freedom to practice no religion.


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sunshine11 wrote:I know. That is the typical response to this proposal. Yet you have failed to address the essential difference between "of" and "from."
Freedom OF religion means that I have the right to demand that my secular society ban abortion and gay marriage. It means that I can demand that public services be restricted on holy days. It means that I can persecute a religious minority for eating cow with impunity.
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Freedom FROM religion means that all the above are abuses of your human rights if I attempt to FORCE my religious beliefs onto you.

No, Freedom OF religion means you are allowed to practice or not practice anything you want.

Muslims demanding that no one be allowed criticize Islam is not freedom of religion, rather, that is freedom FROM religion. In their case, freedom from hearing anyone criticize their religion. This is wrong. Everyone should be allowed to both proselytize their beliefs as well as be proselytized to by others of a different persuasion. What you are saying when you want freedom FROM religion is essentially the same thing that the Muslims are saying when they demand that no one be allowed to criticize Islam.
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I'd like freedom from religion to mean all religions are banned by law.
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grammafreddy wrote:I'd like freedom from religion to mean all religions are banned by law.


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Glacier wrote:No, Freedom OF religion means you are allowed to practice or not practice anything you want.
Muslims demanding that no one be allowed criticize Islam is not freedom of religion, rather, that is freedom FROM religion. In their case, freedom from hearing anyone criticize their religion. This is wrong. Everyone should be allowed to both proselytize their beliefs as well as be proselytized to by others of a different persuasion. What you are saying when you want freedom FROM religion is essentially the same thing that the Muslims are saying when they demand that no one be allowed to criticize Islam.

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COERCION is illegal, so it goes without saying that you have freedom from that (be it religious coercion or secular coercion). Islamic countries do not have freedom of religion. I suggest you do a little more investigating on what freedom of religion means.
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LOL. Troll much?

Why stop at religious coercion? Why not have freedom from all coercision? Persecution and murder are already illegal in this country, so why you feel the need to make this a human right (but only if done by religious people) is beyond me.
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