What Proves To You God Does Exists?

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Sneaksuit wrote:The early church fervently scoured Hebrew scriptures afterwords and found what they wanted to believe. How couldn't they through that much text? But it obviously wasn't enough to convince the Jews themselves, whose scripture it actually was.


Evidence?
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In the Bible times if someone prophesied something in the name of God, and it didn't happened they would be executed.

    Isaiah 17:1
    A prophecy against Damascus:

    “See, Damascus will no longer be a city
    but will become a heap of ruins.


Damascus is the oldest in habitated city in the world... so much for that prophecy.
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Trying to get spiritual nourishment from a two thousand year old book is like trying to suck milk from the breast of a woman who has been dead that long.
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concernie wrote:Evidence?

It's the conclusion mainstream New Testament scholarship has reached. Read some of Bart Ehrman books or listen to some of his lectures for the details. Jews have their own reasons...
http://www.simpletoremember.com/article ... sandjesus/
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Hmmm wrote:No it isn't. It's about why you believe not why you don't. But do what you want. Derailed..


I feel for you Hmmm.

You are right.

I hear exactly what you are saying.

I listened to what you wrote and I understand and respect the topic of your thread.

(Comments removed. Concerns with moderation are to be addressed with the moderators via PM, not on the open forum - fluffy)

It is a thread that YOU created, I think you know best.
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Uh...a thread he created on a PUBLIC forum, in a country where we are entitled to freedom of speech.
One can not post a thread and then say...only people who agree with me are allowed to reply to MY thread.
Seems rather childish.

In questioning what proves to someone that god exists....Nothing - I have seen no proof at all...is still answering the question posed.
Like it or not.

Those who believe and those who don't believe are both in the same boat - we believe in something we do not know.
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Sneaksuit wrote:It's the conclusion mainstream New Testament scholarship has reached. Read some of Bart Ehrman books or listen to some of his lectures for the details. Jews have their own reasons...
http://www.simpletoremember.com/article ... sandjesus/


According to one apostate defector? I question whether Ehrman was a legitimate convert in the first place. This could be a case of the Marranos all over again. The founders of American Christianity were largely Marranos...and masons: Scofield, Russell, Untermeyer, etc.
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janalta wrote:Uh...a thread he created on a PUBLIC forum, in a country where we are entitled to freedom of speech.
One can not post a thread and then say...only people who agree with me are allowed to reply to MY thread.
Seems rather childish.

In questioning what proves to someone that god exists....Nothing - I have seen no proof at all...is still answering the question posed.
Like it or not.

Those who believe and those who don't believe are both in the same boat - we believe in something we do not know.


I do not interpret the original poster as having an attitude such as you describe above.

I simply read the title of the thread and understood that the poster would like to hear "what proves to you that God exists."

The poster did not ask " what proves to you that God does not exist".

It is a simple matter of actually reading what is written and listening to exactly what is being said and then moving forward with respect of the topic.
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Hey guys! Let's argue about the meaning of the thread when the OP already stated it!
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Disclaimer: y'all gotta know I’m just posting this discourse to stir the pot (me bad).
Just for a laugh I googled “proof God exists” - lots of good stuff to be found ;o)

http://www.bing.com/search?q=proof+God+ ... orm=IE8SRC

Is there any scientific proof of God?

Before we can discuss the existence of scientific proof of God, we need to identify what we mean by proof. Also, to know what type of evidence supporting the existence of God would be considered by science, we also need to know which definition of science applies.

The definition of science has changed within the last century from an overall search for truth to a more limited scope of natural explanations of natural processes. Using the current narrow scope definition, there is not any scientific proof of God. The truth or untruth of this statement is not based upon evidence or lack of evidence, but by definition alone. Even though there is extensive, solid evidence for God’ s existence, none of that evidence would be admissible in the science court of law using the current definition.

Consequently, to know what evidence really supports the existence of God, we need to base our statements on the old classic definition of science to eliminate the disqualification of the evidence. The kind of evidence we need to consider is the same type that would be admissible in a court of law.

The level of proof is different in a criminal court than a civil court. In a civil court the prosecution only needs to prove that the preponderance of evidence tips the scales in their direction. Alternatively, in a criminal court a higher level of proof is required. The prosecutor needs to provide evidence that proves the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

What types of evidence are admissible in courtrooms? These include direct evidence such as fingerprints, DNA, or eyewitness accounts. Also, circumstantial evidence is normally admissible unless it is abnormally weak. Although circumstantial evidence is indirect, it can be powerful evidence to prove guilt or innocence.

Scientific Proof of God – The Evidence

What evidence exists that could prove the existence or non-existence of God? Does God exist?

• First, the non-existence of God cannot be proven. One cannot prove a universal negative. Alternatively, the existence of God is provable.

• The concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer.

• Both direct and indirect evidence for God’s existence are well known and well documented. Nothing in history is better known or better documented than the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We even use the year of His birth as the basis for our calendar. He perfectly matched the over 100 unique Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament regarding His birth, life, death, and resurrection. The laws of probability cannot give us a reasonable explanation for either the Messianic predictions or the resurrection, let alone both by the same person. J

Jesus’ miracles were witnessed by many and were documented redundantly for additional corroboration. He was seen by at least 500 people after His resurrection. He was seen ascending into heaven. His transfiguration was seen by Peter, James, and John. His wisdom in dealing with many circumstances was astounding. He never promoted Himself or His miracles. C. S. Lewis stated that He couldn’t have just been a good teacher. He was either a liar, lunatic, or Lord. He didn’t even come close to meeting the profile of a liar or lunatic, so He had to be God.

• Jesus Christ also supported the truth of the Old Testament and quoted it many times. Consequently, with Jesus Christ, we have an eyewitness to the truth of the Old Testament. This gives credibility to the creation account and God’s interaction with man. The entire Old Testament account is about how God is trying to have a relationship with man while man is separating himself from God by sin. It tells how God is long-suffering and merciful and ultimately how God sent His Son to die for our sins so God could ultimately have a relationship with us.

God’s interaction with man in the Old Testament was often and powerful. Some of the main interactions included Adam, Cain, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, the Israelites, the prophets, and the kings. In addition to Jesus’ testimony to the truth of the Old Testament, ancient manuscripts, archaeology, and internal consistency also testify to its truth. Consequently, much direct evidence including eyewitness accounts and indirect evidence corroborate the existence of God and the truth of the Bible.

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/scienti ... od-faq.htm
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"Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married, even though no reliable historical evidence exists to support that claim," King said at a conference in Rome on Tuesday. "This new gospel doesn’t prove that Jesus was married, but it tells us that the whole question only came up as part of vociferous debates about sexuality and marriage. From the very beginning, Christians disagreed about whether it was better not to marry, but it was over a century after Jesus’s death before they began appealing to Jesus’ marital status to support their positions."





King notes in her research that the idea of Jesus' celibacy hasn't always existed, and that early Christians debated whether they should marry or practice celibacy. It was not until around the year 200 that Christian followers began to say Jesus was unmarried, according to a record King cites from Clement of Alexandria. In his writing, Clement -- an early theologian -- said that marriage was a fornication put in place by the devil, and that people should emulate Jesus by not marrying.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 91325.html
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Popular wisdom also says he was an only child, which is a crock.
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i had never heard god was an only child, quite contrarily i had heard he had a number of siblings.

Zeus had some brothers by the names of Hades and Poseidon. His sister's names were Demeter, Hestia, and Hera. All of the children except for Zeus were orinigally swallowed by their father,Cronus.

http://thegreatzeus.weebly.com/zeuss-siblings.html
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Well I have a deep respect for all religions as they all fulfill a need in our lives to seek meaning in this world. But it is sad that most if not many choose to attack other religions on their faith.

I am sorry if I offend anyone, but isn't it all just envy anyways? When someone says they are perfect, aren't they just asking us to envy them?

If it's all just one god, as so many of these religions claim, then what's with the "I am holier than thou" attitude?

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