Christ the Lord Has Risen Today!

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Myths. I I like them!!

I lived in Japan and travelled to Korea many times. Ihave Buddhist friends.

Hey, did you know that Buddhism is 6 Centuries older than Christianity? Did you know these biological 'facts.'
* Born as an incarnate god.
* Born from a immaculate conception.
*Mother and Father were of royal family lineage.
* Birth claimed as a divine event and prophesied as the same.
* Birth attended by singing angels.
* Baby attended by wise men.
* Prodigious childhood.
* As a child astounded teachers with knowledge.
* Fasted in the wilderness for forty days.
* Tempted while alone by the devil 3 times.
* Resisted the devil successfully- 3 times.
* After the devil left, supernatural events occurred.
* Began ministry at approx.thirty years of age.
* Attract large followings immediately.
* Attracted disciples who traveled with him.
* Attracted one disciple who was treacherous.
* Changed disciples' names.
* Encouraged celibacy for their disciples.
* Consecrated in a holy river.
* Itinerant ministry instead of at a fixed place.
* Performed miracles such as curing blindness.
* Renounced worldly riches and required the same of their disciples.
* Ministered to outcasts.
* Advocated universal love and peace.
* Taught mostly through use of parables.
* Triumphal entry.
* Gave major sermon from a mound.
*Had relationships with women that clergy thought were scandalous.
*Held unorthodox view, for the time period, that women could enter the religious community as well as men.
* Disregarded by the dominant religious elite.
* Just before death dispatched disciples to preach in other areas.
* Death accompanied by supernatural events
*Religious adherents believe he'll return.

king. Ashoka sent missionaries / diplomats to The Levant, Syria, Egypt, Greece, Sri Lanka.

Hey,you could go to Kandahar, Afghanistan and read his Edict in Greek and Aramaic!!! From the 3 Rd Century BCE!!!

Cool!
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I wonder if anyone ever came into contact with Buddhists while travelling for months on the Silk Road?
Naaaa. That sounds too far fetched.
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Healthyskeptic wrote:I wonder if anyone ever came into contact with Buddhists while travelling for months on the Silk Road?
Naaaa. That sounds too far fetched.

Your list sounds too far fetched to actually be true. I think your Buddhist friends pulled a fast one on you. They probably thought: "ah, here's a gullible atheist, let's see how many silly things he's just accept without doing an ounce of research on his own."
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Glacier wrote:Your list sounds too far fetched to actually be true. I think your Buddhist friends pulled a fast one on you. They probably thought: "ah, here's a gullible atheist, let's see how many silly things he's just accept without doing an ounce of research on his own."

Maybe, and maybe not but the teachings of Jesus and the Buddha are very similar and there is evidence that Jesus spent at least several years in India during those years between 12 and 30.
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cliffy1 wrote:Maybe, and maybe not but the teachings of Jesus and the Buddha are very similar and there is evidence that Jesus spent at least several years in India during those years between 12 and 30.


What evidence?
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^^That's what I was wondering.

I'd heard that many years ago but was never given any source to verify it.

Half the time these days people are saying that there is no evidence that Christ even existed as a person but apparently we have evidence that he hung out in India?
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OREZ wrote:
Half the time these days people are saying that there is no evidence that Christ even existed as a person but apparently we have evidence that he hung out in India?


My exact sentiments. I doubt we will see any 'evidence'. According to the Mormons he was in North America, now according to the Buddhists he was in India. It seems that all these other people, including atheists, want a piece of him (Jesus). :smt045
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Trying to get spiritual nourishment from a two thousand year old book is like trying to suck milk from the breast of a woman who has been dead that long.
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Ahhhh so 'CHRISLAM' rears its ugly, lying head.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Chrislam.html

Question: "What is Chrislam?"

<SNIP> Islam adamantly rejects the deity of Christ. The Qur’an declares the idea that Jesus is God to be blasphemy (5:17). Belief in the deity of Christ is considered shirk (“filth”) to Muslims. Further, Islam denies the death of Christ on the cross (4:157-158). The most crucial doctrine of the Christian faith is rejected in Islam. As a result, the two religions are absolutely not compatible, making Chrislam a concept both Christians and Muslims should reject.<SNIP>

Rest of article at link.
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I studied and worked in Japan for three years. I had foreign friends and Japanese friends who were Buddhists, non Buddhists or just curious Japanophiles.
I travelled in Hong Kong, Taiwan, S. Korea and Thailand.
I met and talked and enjoyed many Buddhist festivals in all of those countries. Many of the festivals commemorate events in Buddha's life.
I have read many books about Buddhism and the some of them were 'biographical' in nature.
I talked to many Japanese because I was curious about people who held Shinto beliefs, Buddhist beliefs and Christian beliefs ( A very small percent of Japanes are Christian. Only about 1% and Korea is about 5%)


As for my personal interest in the Silk Road and the millenia of travellers....I can thank my well- educated and open minded mother. She's quite a Sinophile! She has read many, many books on Buddhism, the cross roads of so many cultures of millenia.


My friend last year went biking the whole Silk Road. yes, biking the entire length of Asia. Shanghai to Istanbul. http://tdaglobalcycling.com/silk-route
Guess what, naive Christians, we can prove with DNA, linguistics, and archeology that people mixed here for thousands of years.
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Occam' Razor time.
The principle can be interpreted as stating Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest new assumptions should be selected.

Explanation #1- people over the course of millenia travelled, shared meals, shared camp fires, shared spices and other commodities and told stories to pass the time. Some stories you could say morphed, changed, relocated, lost popularity, gained popularity and found new audiences.

Explanation # 2- there's a time travelling, invisible entity that has somehow survived or existed for thousands of years. He's invisible mind you so you can't confirm or deny it. Well, this invisible entity time travelled to a time period we'll call 1 - 30 C.E.
While in the general holy Land vicinity he gather intelligence on a particular individual.he then time travelled back 1000s of years to create myths . Like Krishna, Buddha and Mithra ....
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http://www.guimet.fr/en/
If you are ever in Paris go to the Musee Guimet.

You'll be interested in the Greco Buddhism exhibit I'm sure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
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Maybe you Christians would like to read about a great King in Asia. Who spread Buddhism - first to the West, not the Eastern Asian countries it survives in today.
King Ashoka.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/dharmadata/fdd9.htm
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Hate facts. Oh no!
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No one disputes the fact that ideas have been shared between cultures from time immemorial, but what I dispute is claims like this:

Hey, did you know that Buddhism is 6 Centuries older than Christianity? Did you know these biological 'facts.'
* Born as an incarnate god.
* Born from a immaculate conception.
*Mother and Father were of royal family lineage.
* Birth claimed as a divine event and prophesied as the same.
* Birth attended by singing angels.
* Baby attended by wise men.
[etc.]

I would be surprised if 15% of those on the list were true. It looks very Zeitgeist-y, which we know was an invention of "facts" by a serial liar.
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