Science must destroy religion

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Glacier wrote:And surely you are intelligent enough to know the difference between freedom of religion and freedom from religion. If you really want to avoid religion in society, stay away from the Religion & Spirituality section on Castanet lest you read something that doesn't level with your safe space.


I could say the same about the Christians here who keep getting offended by those who don't share their religious views.

This is not a Christian chat group...it's not a religious chat group.
It is a group in which to discuss religious beliefs, atheism, spirituality - whether or not a god exists, how life began, etc.

You know darned well I am not talking about discussing religion with others...when it is my choice to do so.
It is when it is forced upon me in real life that I object.
I object to it being peddled at my door or on the street.
I object to it being paraded in front of the hospital every Tuesday.
I object to Christians trying to inject their religious morality into our politics and health care options.
I find it offensive.

My safe space ? Religion does not scare me, sorry.
My private space ? yes, I would like my space religion-free unless I CHOOSE to discuss it.
Religious folks can believe whatever they want. They can wear magic underwear, turbans or burkas any time they want. They can fast, pray and spend 4 hours at church every Sunday if that's what floats their boat - but I shouldn't have to live by the same biblical laws of chastity or modesty and I shouldn't have to put up with people at my door trying to save me...and I shouldn't have to be barraged by derogatory signs carried around by holier than thou old men on public sidewalks.
I sure as heck should not have to put up with religions sticking their noses into public health care and trying to tell me that abortion and assisted suicide is immoral because, you know...god.
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Glacier wrote:I'm pretty sure that African countries are quite capable of throwing gays off roofs on their own without missionaries telling them to do it.

Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda's Anti-Gay Crackdown

In late February, when Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni signed the nation's harsh new anti-gay bill into law, he claimed the measure had been "provoked by arrogant and careless western groups that are fond of coming into our schools and recruiting young children into homosexuality." What he failed to mention is that the legislation—which makes homosexuality a crime punishable by life in prison in some cases—was itself largely due to Western interlopers, chief among them a radical American pastor named Scott Lively.

Lively, a 56-year-old Massachusetts native, specializes in stirring up anti-gay feeling around the globe. In Uganda, which he first visited in 2002, he has cultivated ties to influential politicians and religious leaders at the forefront of the nation's anti-gay crusade. Just before the first draft of Uganda's anti-gay bill began circulating in April 2009, Lively traveled to Kampala and gave lengthy presentations to members of Uganda's parliament and cabinet, which laid out the argument that the nation's president and lawmakers would later use to justify Uganda's draconian anti-gay crackdown—namely that Western agitators were trying to unravel Uganda's social fabric by spreading "the disease" of homosexuality to children. "They're looking for other people to be able to prey upon," Lively said, according to video footage. "When they see a child that's from a broken home it's like they have a flashing neon sign over their head."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/scott-lively-anti-gay-law-uganda
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cliffy1 wrote: So ya, Christians are trying to undermine our basic human rights by trying to force the rest of us to conform to their twisted ideology, which has nothing to do with what Jesus stood for.


All Christians are doing that? Quite the wide brush you have there.
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Ugh Ted Haggard such a creep

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zzontar wrote:All Christians are doing that? Quite the wide brush you have there.

Not all but enough to scare those who are not Christian. The ones who are a loud and obnoxious and get a lot of attention. It is kinda like the people who complain about the moderate Muslims not speaking out enough about the radical Muslims. Moderate Christians don't speak out about the politically and socially obnoxious Christians. And of course, you don't paint atheists with a wide brush, now do you?
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Farmmaa wrote:I sure as heck should not have to put up with religions sticking their noses into public health care and trying to tell me that abortion and assisted suicide is immoral because, you know...god.

So if a non-religious person disagrees with you on abortion, etc. that's fine, but if a religious person does, that's bad? You sound like to old boys back when the British Empire had slavery. People got really upset with the religious people telling them that they couldn't have slaves.
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cliffy1 wrote:Not all but enough to scare those who are not Christian. The ones who are a loud and obnoxious and get a lot of attention. It is kinda like the people who complain about the moderate Muslims not speaking out enough about the radical Muslims. Moderate Christians don't speak out about the politically and socially obnoxious Christians. And of course, you don't paint atheists with a wide brush, now do you?


I'm Christian, live in the valley where the majority are Christians, yet I can go for dinner, to a movie, for a walk, and just about anything and never see these loud obnoxious people you speak of. I do however remember seeing a bicycle in Kelowna years ago with a sign on it saying "the end is near" but it never tainted me too much.
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Glacier wrote:So if a non-religious person disagrees with you on abortion, etc. that's fine, but if a religious person does, that's bad? You sound like to old boys back when the British Empire had slavery. People got really upset with the religious people telling them that they couldn't have slaves.


Again.....it has nothing to do with anyone agreeing or disagreeing with my views.
( but credit to you for consistently trying to make this about nothing more than atheists demanding that everyone conforms to their way of thinking. Very ironic of you. )

You can disagree with my beliefs and views all you want - but you have zero right to attempt to strip me of my own rights because of your religion's moral standards.

And, yes, of course owning slaves is exactly the same as the right to do what I want with my own body.
Exactly the same thing.
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so your saying all the southern states slave owners were non believers glac ? hehe good one
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OREZ wrote:
My observation is that some atheists simply have a lack of belief because they feel they have lack of evidence and I'm fine with that. However, some atheists do seem to have a belief system which causes them to seek out, mock and belittle anyone of faith. They're just not alright with anyone one who has a view which contradicts their own which absolutely insists that there is no God.

Simply lacking faith or belief would not compel someone to actively (and sometimes obsessively) pursue this course, in my opinion. If a person does not believe in something for which they feel they have no evidence they would just leave it at that instead of feeling that they're obligated to go on some sort of mission to eradicate the world of it.

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This has been explained, many times over, in the past few weeks here.
You seem to simply refuse to either listen to what we are saying, or you choose to ignore it and continue with your own opinion of why people may do or say certain things.


I’m not ignoring it, I just don’t accept the explanation and I’ll try to explain why again if necessary.

Farmmaa wrote:It has nothing to do with people having different views, or believing different things.

It is the constant barrage of religion , religious views and religious morality being pushed in our faces on a daily basis.

As I’ve stated many times, I’m not a fan of religion either and I find some religious people to be kind of annoying, but I don’t see this barrage of religion you’re talking about any more than I see a barrage of secularism, commercialism, consumerism, etc. etc. What am I to do? I have to suck it up and get over it.
Farmmaa wrote:We have as much right to live a life completely and absolutely free from religious indoctrination, proselyting, preaching and judgement.
Religious freedom also means being able to live a life free from religion.

Where on earth did you get an idea like that? As Glacier pointed out, freedom of religion is not the same thing as freedom from religion. The charter of rights gives us freedom of religion, can you point me to the part where it gives us freedom from religion? That’s like saying, I have a right to a life which is free of cheesy occult symbolism in popular culture or free of loud and obnoxious consumer advertising or free of annoyance in general for that matter. I know there’s going to be plenty of things I find distasteful shoved my way every day, I do what I can to avoid and ignore it. I know there are going to be people whose views get on my nerves but I've got no choice but to try and not let it bother me. It takes all kinds, as they say and it's a big world out there. We live in a country which has welcomed people of all cultures and religions. What are you suggesting, that we restrict people from practising and celebrating them so that they don't annoy you?
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I would love for you to point out exactly where I have ever stated that people should not be free to practice whatever religion they please ?!

They do NOT however, have the right to dictate or interfere with things that directly affect MY life and freedoms.
They have no business trying to stop the assisted suicide law because it goes against their moral beliefs.
They have no business sticking their righteous noses into other people's right to love and marry whoever they choose to love and marry.
They have no right to try to insist that all children be forced to learn about their religion or to pray in any way, shape or form in public schools.
They have no right to try to tell women what they can and can not do with their own bodies.

Practice whatever religion you want. Celebrate whatever religious holidays you choose.
But....don't try to push your beliefs or moral standards on others.

It's not that difficult to understand.
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i think you know that person was saying practice all you want but do not force it down anyone elses throat and do not make laws based on it .
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Farmmaa wrote:And, yes, of course owning slaves is exactly the same as the right to do what I want with my own body.
Exactly the same thing.

You are right, though it is not exactly the same thing. You can do whatever you want with your body so long as it doesn't break the law. Lots of things people do with their bodies are against the law, often because they harm others. Still, some things that harm others are not against the law.

You seem to think that if a religious person thinks abortion should be illegal, then she is imposing her beliefs on you, but if an atheist thinks abortion should be illegal, she is not imposing her beliefs on you. In that sense, I can see why you have the persecution complex.
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if a prrson of faith disagrees with something based on a bible and not their own reason8ng then yes they are forcing the faith on other people . where as a athiest will make desicions based on something other than mad up people in the sky .
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Glacier wrote:You are right, though it is not exactly the same thing. You can do whatever you want with your body so long as it doesn't break the law. Lots of things people do with their bodies are against the law, often because they harm others. Still, some things that harm others are not against the law.

You seem to think that if a religious person thinks abortion should be illegal, then she is imposing her beliefs on you, but if an atheist thinks abortion should be illegal, she is not imposing her beliefs on you. In that sense, I can see why you have the persecution complex.


Again...I could care less about anyone's personal beliefs - if they keep it to themselves.
it is when they try to impose those beliefs on everyone else that I have a problem with it.

I have yet to see a group of atheists protesting in front of the hospital every week trying to push their views on anyone.
Have you ?

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