Human / Religious origins

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averagejoe wrote: Proof please.....just another fairy tail cliffy


cliffy1 wrote:I posted it and there are hundreds more where that came from but what is the point when all you are going to do is write silly nonsense like this. Adios.


Fill your boots Cliff.

Start posting......lets look at your evidence of maps.....
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Cliffy.......check your PM box.
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cliffy1 wrote:Abraham is right out of the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Jews took it and wrote it into their mythology in the Torah and then the Christians took the Readers Digest version of the Torah and turned it into the old testament. Mohamed rewrote the old testament into the Koran, or more correctly, had his minions write it into the Koran since he was illiterate.

That is a very interesting summary of how the 3 main current monotheistic religions are connected. Was Mohammed really unable to read and write?
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averagejoe wrote:
In the King James version, which is the one I read...it doesn't use the word slave..it uses the word master or servant.

2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.


The essence of both versions seems the same to me: if a man is a slave/servant ie. not free, he cannot bring his wife and children with him once his freedom is earned. If he wants to be with them, he has to stay a slave/servant.

That sounds to me like an unfair proposition. How can this particular set of biblical rules be a good thing?
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annexi wrote: The essence of both versions seems the same to me: if a man is a slave/servant ie. not free, he cannot bring his wife and children with him once his freedom is earned. If he wants to be with them, he has to stay a slave/servant.

That sounds to me like an unfair proposition. How can this particular set of biblical rules be a good thing?


serv·ant

noun
a person who performs duties for others, especially a person employed in a house on domestic duties or as a personal attendant.
synonyms: attendant, retainer; More
a person employed in the service of a government.
a devoted and helpful follower or supporter.
"a tireless servant of God"
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Your apologetics make my eyes bleed.
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averagejoe wrote:Ancient Mesopotamia is called the cradle of civilization.

The first cities and empires formed here.


Where did these people get their knowledge to built those cities and empires ?
Who taught them ?
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averagejoe wrote:Ancient Mesopotamia is called the cradle of civilization.

The first cities and empires formed here.


SmokeOnTheWater wrote: Where did these people get their knowledge to built those cities and empires ?
Who taught them ?


I would probably say themselves.....trail and error? You'd have to do a little research on that one. That would be a good study session for you. Report back to me. I'd like to know myself....
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Farmmaa wrote:Your apologetics make my eyes bleed.


Sorry to hear that!
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ok, I did a little research. I couldn't wait...It was the Sumerians.

Did you notice that it's right by the Garden of Eden! Only 6,000 years ago! Falls right in with timelines of the Bible, wouldn't you say! :smt045

6000 years ago civilization emerged in Mesopotamia - the Ancient Greek name meaning the land "between the rivers" is used today to describe the valley between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers which nurtured the first urban civilization, the Sumerians. It is located in modern Iraq and is the eastern end of an area of land called the "fertile crescent" a land of abundance in ancient times. The two rivers deposited fertile silt on the land when they overflowed their banks.

The abundance of food grown in the rich mud in the fertile crescent made it possible for large numbers of people to live together in cities. Population growth and a surplus of food led to specialization of labor and the leisure time necessary for civilization. When everyone did not have to farm people began to be artisans and craftsmen. The products created by these specialists led to trade and a merchant class. Some specialists were religious and a class of priests emerged.

http://www.historywiz.com/exhibits/emergenceofciv.html
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averagejoe wrote:ok, I did a little research. I couldn't wait...It was the Sumerians.

Sumerians ?
Is that Adam and Eve's last name ?
They had 2 boys. Where did their wives come from ? How many children did they have ?
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averagejoe wrote:ok, I did a little research. I couldn't wait...It was the Sumerians.


SmokeOnTheWater wrote:Sumerians ?
Is that Adam and Eve's last name ?
They had 2 boys. Where did their wives come from ? How many children did they have ?


Oh now your being silly......Read the Bible. Give some scriptures....

I personally think there were people here. Just not God's servant people...the Israelite's!
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averagejoe wrote:
Oh now your being silly......Read the Bible. Give some scriptures....

I personally think there were people here. Just not God's servant people...the Israelite's!

You are telling us that people showed up out of nowhere and built cities and empires. Who's silly now ? :D
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The book dates Chinese history back 6,477 years to 4464 B.C. or the time of Suiren, the discoverer of fire and one of the Three Sovereigns according to Chinese legend. It draws on the archeological discoveries of the Peiligang Culture (8,000 years ago), the Yangshao Culture (5,000-7,000 years ago), the Liangzhu Culture (6,000-7,000 years ago), the Hongshan Culture (5,000-6,000 years ago) and the Dawenkou Culture (4,400-6,300 years ago). The book challenges the long-established view that the period before the Shang Dynasty, which could have started around 1500 B.C., was not well founded and looks to prove that Chinese civilization has existed for more than 6,000 years.

http://www.bjreview.com.cn/print/txt/2014-08/25/content_636559.htm

“When Bhirrana [Rajasthan] was excavated, from 2003 to 2006, we [recovered artifacts that provided] 19 radiometric dates,” said Dikshit, who was until recently joint director general of the Archaeological Society of India. “Out of these 19 dates, six dates are from the early levels, and the time bracket is forming from 7500 BC to 6200 BC.”

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/india/121116/indus-civilization-2000-years-old-archaeologists

Archaeologists have dated human presence in Mesoamerica to possibly as early as 21,000 bce (though the dating of the Valsequillo finds on which that early date is based remains controversial). By 11,000 bce, hunting-and-gathering peoples occupied most of the New World south of the glacial ice cap covering northern North America. The cooler climate of this period as compared with that of the present day supported a grassland vegetation, especially in the highland valleys, that was ideal for large herds of grazing animals. The shift toward sedentary agriculture apparently began after about 7000 bce, when a dramatic global warming caused the glaciers to retreat and tropical forests to overtake the Mesoamerican grasslands.

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The gradual domestication of successful food plants—most notably a mutant corn (maize) with husks, dating to c. 5300 bce—over succeeding millennia gave rise to more or less permanent village farming life by about 1500 bce. In addition to corn, crops included beans, squashes, chili peppers, and cotton. As agricultural productivity improved, the rudiments of civilization emerged during the period designated by archaeologists as the Early Formative (1500–900 bce). Pottery, which had appeared in some areas of the region as early as 2300 bce, perhaps introduced from Andean cultures to the south, took on varied and sophisticated forms. The idea of the temple-pyramid seems to have taken root during this period.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Mesoamerican-civilization
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if modern humans are 6000 yesrs old the cavemen are what joe ? 6000 and 1 minute old ?

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