What Did Jesus Look Like?

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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby foodsmith » Mar 14th, 2018, 9:59 am

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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby foodsmith » Mar 14th, 2018, 10:16 am

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Glacier wrote:Provide sources. The letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar, where does that come from? If Wikipedia, Omnitheo, and Biblical scholars all say no one knows what Jesus looked like, how is it that you know better? I have no idea what happened to the lost tribes of Israel. No one knows. Much of history is a mystery and no one will ever know things. What happened to the Maya civilization? No one knows. We can speculate, but it's impossible to know anything about Jesus' looks without a high degree of speculation and blind assumptions.


LOL what are blind assumptions? Maybe read postings of what others posted. Not one gave any evidence to their silly comments. I gave you a document letter between Pontius Pilate and Tiberius that is in the Congressional Library of the United States of America. And another letter also describing Jesus's physical description.


The Archko Volume, friend, was also debunked as false and unverifiable.

Its Author was convicted in the late 1800s of committing 'falsehood and plagiarism'. He promised to suspend publishing of the volume, acknowledging it was based on falsehood as his cited original sources were non-existent (ie. 'made up'), but by that time it was too late -- several reprints had already been completed.

What you have offered us as reference is, truly, a recent version following several revisions of a 'cool story' designed to fit the eurocentric ideal of the Church at the time.

There's more out there, and I admire your faith and tenacity, but this just isn't enough to say with certainty what Jesus 'looked like'.
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Mar 14th, 2018, 12:58 pm

Anything to do with historical Biblical history is always debunked....it's called cultural marxism when atheists don't like what they read. :smt045
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby Ka-El » Apr 1st, 2018, 9:25 am

averagejoe wrote: Anything to do with historical Biblical history is always debunked....

Jesus Was Not White. Here Is Why Recognizing That Matters

joe grew up in a Christian home, where a photo of Jesus hung on his bedroom wall. He still has it. It is schmaltzy and rather tacky in that 1970s kind of way, but as a little boy he loved it. In this picture, Jesus looks kind and gentle, he gazes down at him lovingly. He is also light-haired, blue-eyed, and very white.

The problem is, Jesus was not white. You’d be forgiven for thinking otherwise if you’ve ever entered a Western church or visited an art gallery. But while there is no physical description of him in the Bible, there is also no doubt that the historical Jesus, the man who was executed by the Roman State in the first century CE, was a brown-skinned, Middle Eastern Jew.

This is not controversial from a scholarly point of view, but somehow it is a forgotten detail for many of the millions of Christians who will gather to celebrate Easter this week.

On Good Friday, Christians attend churches to worship Jesus and, in particular, remember his death on a cross. In most of these churches, Jesus will be depicted as a white man, a guy that looks like Anglo-Australians, a guy easy for other Anglo-Australians to identify with.

Think for a moment of the rather dashing Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus in Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ. He is an Irish-American actor. Or call to mind some of the most famous artworks of Jesus’ crucifixion—Ruben, Grunewald, Giotto—and again we see the European bias in depicting a white-skinned Jesus.

Does any of this matter? Yes, it really does. As a society, we are well aware of the power of representation and the importance of diverse role models.

After winning the 2013 Oscar for Best Supporting Actress for her role in 12 Years a Slave, Kenyan actress Lupita Nyong’o shot to fame. In interviews since then, Nyong’o has repeatedly articulated her feelings of inferiority as a young woman because all the images of beauty she saw around her were of lighter-skinned women. It was only when she saw the fashion world embracing Sudanese model Alek Wek that she realised black could be beautiful too.

If we can recognise the importance of ethnically and physically diverse role models in our media, why can’t we do the same for faith? Why do we continue to allow images of a whitened Jesus to dominate?

Many churches and cultures do depict Jesus as a brown or black man. Orthodox Christians usually have a very different iconography to that of European art – if you enter a church in Africa, you’ll likely see an African Jesus on display.

But these are rarely the images we see in Australian Protestant and Catholic churches, and it is our loss. It allows the mainstream Christian community to separate their devotion to Jesus from compassionate regard for those who look different.
I would even go so far as to say it creates a cognitive disconnect, where one can feel deep affection for Jesus but little empathy for a Middle Eastern person. It likewise has implications for the theological claim that humans are made in God’s image. If God is always imaged as white, then the default human becomes white and such thinking undergirds racism.

Historically, the whitewashing of Jesus contributed to Christians being some of the worst perpetrators of anti-Semitism and it continues to manifest in the “othering” of non-Anglo Saxon Australians.

This Easter, I can’t help but wonder, what would our church and society look like if we just remembered that Jesus was brown? If we were confronted with the reality that the body hung on the cross was a brown body: one broken, tortured, and publicly executed by an oppressive regime.

How might it change our attitudes if we could see that the unjust imprisonment, abuse, and execution of the historical Jesus has more in common with the experience of Indigenous Australians or asylum seekers than it does with those who hold power in the church and usually represent Christ?

Perhaps most radical of all, I can’t help but wonder what might change if we were more mindful that the person Christians celebrate as God in the flesh and saviour of the entire world was not a white man, but a Middle Eastern Jew.

Robyn J. Whitaker, Bromby Senior Lecturer in Biblical Studies, Trinity College, University of Divinity.

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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby Queen K » Apr 1st, 2018, 9:33 am

And there is no Easter Bunny and there is no Santa and there is no way in H e double hockey sticks did Jesus have blue eyes.

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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:01 am

Ka-El wrote:
The problem is, Jesus was not white. You’d be forgiven for thinking otherwise if you’ve ever entered a Western church or visited an art gallery. But while there is no physical description of him in the Bible, there is also no doubt that the historical Jesus, the man who was executed by the Roman State in the first century CE, was a brown-skinned, Middle Eastern Jew.


Perhaps most radical of all, I can’t help but wonder what might change if we were more mindful that the person Christians celebrate as God in the flesh and saviour of the entire world was not a white man, but a Middle Eastern Jew.

Robyn J. Whitaker, Bromby Senior Lecturer in Biblical Studies, Trinity College, University of Divinity.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/je ... &ocid=iehp


Where do these people get there information from? :135:

Romans said he was blond haired blued....it is recorded.
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:15 am

Know your history...

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Brother Indo-European Nations....Scythia and Parthia

The middle East had a very large Indo-European population. Especially Parthia which was a Germanic Empire which is east of Jerusalem....Where the 3 Wisemen came from.

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Parthian Warrior from the cover of military magazine....This is taken from the Battle of Nisibris in 217 AD which caused the fall of Parthia and that created the Great migration over the Caucasus Mountains (Why European people are called Caucasians...) in the Black Sea area. The Germans call it the
"the Great Wandering" This lead to the hook up of Germanic Tribes already in Europe....

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Parthian Archers from the battle of Carrhae in 53 BC in today's eastern Turkey....

Notice the Parthian archers are wearing the Saka hats which are also known as the Saxon Hat from their counterparts the Scythians who were Indo-European Tribesmen from the Russian Steppes.....
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:21 am

Know your history.....

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Ancient Celtic Empire......Cimmerians who later in history migrate to Europe and become the Celtic nation called the Hallstatt Empire.

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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:27 am

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Jesus the Christ rising out of his great Uncle Joseph of Arimathea's Tomb!
He has risen!!!
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:32 am

Know your history...

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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:38 am

Know your history...

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The Massegetae Scythian Tribes located on the east coast of the Caspian Sea. One of the most fearsome Scythian Indo-European Tribes of it's day. The Parni Tribe from the main Massegetae Tribe invade Persia 80 years after Alexander the Great and set up the Indo-European nation of Parthia for over 500 years.

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Massagetae Queen Tomyis with the head of Persian King Cyrus the great. Looks pretty European to me!

Getae means Goth....
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 11:51 am

Know your history...

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Also pictured are the Issedones who are today's Finnish Peoples. This is their ancient homeland. and the Tocharians who are of Celtic decent who lived in the Tarim Basin in western China. Many tall, blue eyed, blond or red haired mummies have been preserved for over 2,500 years....

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6' 4" blued eyed red haired Celtic Tocharian Cherchen man mummy.

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He was found with Tartan....2,500 years old.
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 12:02 pm

Know your history....

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Battle of Carhae 53 BC Parthia and Romes first battle of 300 years of warfare.

Notice the Parthian archers wearing the Indo-European/Saka/Scythian/Saxon hat.....

This Indo-European/Scythian/Saka/Saxon hat is in many Scythian art and metal work.....
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby averagejoe » Apr 1st, 2018, 12:06 pm

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Parthian soldier wearing Indo-European/Scythian/Saka/ Saxon hat...
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Re: What Did Jesus Look Like?

Postby Ka-El » Apr 1st, 2018, 12:14 pm

averagejoe wrote:Image
Jesus the Christ rising out of his great Uncle Joseph of Arimathea's Tomb!

Oh well, you just can't beat a good old fashioned oil painting for proof of life. :smt045

How was Mass this morning joe? Any mention of Trump and the infidels? :D

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Robyn J. Whitaker, Bromby Senior Lecturer in Biblical Studies, Trinity College, University of Divinity.

Where do these people get there information from?

Imagine some Biblical scholar tenured at a University of Theology presuming to know more than joe.

More pictures and maps proving Christ was white joe! You go Christian soldier!
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