What would you put in a bible?

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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby youjustcomplain » Mar 11th, 2019, 11:13 am

cutter7 wrote:I tried to watch but this guy is so dry and uncaptivating I clicked off before he got to the 3rd commandment ( he really had nothing of substance for the first 2)

Back to your response, If you read these religious threads you find people like yourself condemning the bible and religion yet you fail to find fault with the 10 commandments

But that's just it. You didn't watch it.
He provided you with reasons to find fault with some of the 10 commandments; you chose to ignore it.
Would you have read his response if he paraphrased Hitchens and didn't give Hitches the credit?

cutter7 wrote:Naturally if you insist on looking for something you are bound to find it and you have found Christopher Hitchens, an atheist desperately wasting his breath and time on something he doesn't believe in.


I would argue that it's people of faith always looking to find something; hence the belief in god. I've looked for god. It turned up nothing. I've always wanted to know what so many people find so rewarding, and I look there with no results. There is plenty in life to enjoy without also having to love and be afraid of a god. It really sounds like the relationship of a child to an abusive father.

cutter7 wrote:You also seem to devote much of your time on religious threads trying to convince unlistening ears of your atheism.


I think this is a perspective thing. I don't think I've seen nick or any other atheist, anti-theist or apatheist here trying to convince anyone. There is no changing the mind of someone that their god isn't real. There's really no point. The question that always comes back is "Why do you believe?". This is why I'm here. All other questions are just a piece of that imo.

cutter7 wrote:The only question I have for you is why?
I don't believe in Santa claus and you will never find me spending all my time at the mall during Christmas just to tell people Santa isn't real.

This one is simple really. :) Followers of Santa Claus have no power in this world. They are generally between one and ten years of age. They have no money, they don't get to vote, they don't have a say in public policies and laws. They have no influence over war or the economy. They aren't advocating for fellow followers to blow themselves up in the name of Santa and they aren't trying to recruit followers to do all of the things above.

IF they were doing the things mentioned above, I would be at the mall trying to convince the followers that their Santa isn't real.
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 20th, 2019, 8:11 am

Rustybritches wrote:So many Christians claim that the bible is the literal and infallible word of God and contains no contradictions...
Here is a list of Contradictions by scripture...
https://infidels.org/library/modern/don ... tions.html

I've studied for years and asked about the bible to several Christians. Why is there no common sense in the bible and easy ways to protect and enhance humanity.

Here's but a short list... Please add to the list!
1. An origin of the universe that won't be debunked by scientific advancements and evolution from stone age desert dwellers to modern man
2. Mathematical basis for quantum mechanics and theory
3. Basic laws of physics
-Force, magnetism, thermodynamics, ohms law, faradays law of induction, etc...
4. Basic health like germ theory and simply washing your hands, cure for the common cold, eliminating cancer in children, any disease cure at all to be more precise
5.Love for all races and societies
6. Women are equal
7. Slavery is wrong
8. Proof of creation if it happened and not have hundreds of millions of articles of evidence pointing to evolution
9.How to manage natural resources... farming technology, safe mining practices
10. Overpopulation is wrong... be fruitful and multiply as really bad advice.
11. Get an education
12. A drawing of the earth from God's point of view that would make flat earthers irrelevant

What else?

Your topic doesn't match your words above, so let me again answer you, even if you don't want answers but want to say the Lord doesn't have answers (as surely you think you have more than HIM according to your discrepancies against HIM)

Firstly Church people deem every word of their Protestant Bible, chosen by Protestant church clergy, to be infallible.... because it includes the opinions of their church father...Paul.

So Yes, there are discrepancies and errors because Pauls words are not THUS SAITH THE LORD.

So now pick only ONE so called discrepancy at a time, and I shall go ober it, ONE at a TIME, choose one

IHS

David

PS) And then other nit pickers will come and mock and try to deny, and change the topic. They hate answers being given.
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 20th, 2019, 8:15 am

I've studied for years and asked about the bible to several Christians. Why is there no common sense in the bible and easy ways to protect and enhance humanity.
You mean, you never read the prophets, or JESUS words, and never studied what Jesus said and did, and how HE literally showed people how to live in LOVE, and respect all and sacrifice for all.... and yet you start out by saying

Why is there no common sense in the bible and easy ways to protect and enhance humanity.


I don't think you ever read the GOSPELS, have you ?
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby LANDM » Jun 20th, 2019, 8:52 am

Davidjayjordan wrote:I've studied for years and asked about the bible to several Christians. Why is there no common sense in the bible and easy ways to protect and enhance humanity.
You mean, you never read the prophets, or JESUS words, and never studied what Jesus said and did, and how HE literally showed people how to live in LOVE, and respect all and sacrifice for all.... and yet you start out by saying

Why is there no common sense in the bible and easy ways to protect and enhance humanity.


I don't think you ever read the GOSPELS, have you ?


No, it is YOU that seems to have not READ the gospels.
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 20th, 2019, 9:24 am

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Jesus life is not therotical but practical as He demonstrated how to live, as one of us.... and do note the religious persecution from not the normal people but from the zealots of the law and those committed to being the highest form of supposed life.... the evolutionists

Remember evolution is a religion, a religion that says some of us are greater than others.

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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 20th, 2019, 9:27 am

PS) Heres an applicable verse as stated by JESUS.

If I had not come, they had not sin, but now they have no cloak for their sin.

The heathen, atheists, agnostics, evolutionists all want to gather so called excuses against Jesus... but seeing Jesus came and showed them how to live in real life, they now have no cloak or excuse for their sin.

Amen ? Amen !
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby 1nick » Jun 21st, 2019, 12:52 pm

This is a little wordy but often overlooked passage in the bible...




There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called lluvatar;
and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the
offspring of his thought, and they were with him before
aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding
to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he
was glad. But for a long while they sang only each alone, or
but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each
comprehended only that part of me mind of lluvatar from
which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren
they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to
deeper understanding, and increased in unison and
harmony.

And it came to pass that lluvatar called together all the
Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to
them things greater and more wonderful than he had yet
revealed; and the glory of its beginning and the splendour
of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before
lluvatar and were silent.

Then lluvatar said to them: 'Of the theme that I have
declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together
a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame
Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning
this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he
will. But I win sit and hearken, and be glad that through you
great beauty has been wakened into song.'

Then the voices of the Ainur, like unto harps and lutes,
and pipes and trumpets, and viols and organs, and like
unto countless choirs singing with words, began to fashion
the theme of lluvatar to a great music; and a sound arose of
endless interchanging melodies woven in harmony that
passed beyond hearing into the depths and into the
heights, and the places of the dwelling of lluvatar were filled
to overflowing, and the music and the echo of the music
went out into the Void, and it was not void. Never since
have the Ainur made any music like to this music, though it
has been said that a greater still shall be made before


lluvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and the Children of lluvatar
after the end of days. Then the themes of lluvatar shall be
played aright, and take Being in the moment of their
utterance, for all shall then understand fully his intent in their
part, and each shall know the comprehension of each, and
lluvatar shall give to their thoughts the secret fire, being well
pleased.

But now lluvatar sat and hearkened, and for a great
while it seemed good to him, for in the music there were no
flaws. But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart
of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that
were not in accord with the theme of lluvatar, for he sought
therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned
to himself. To Melkor among the Ainur had been given the
greatest gifts of power and knowledge, and he had a share
in all the gifts of his brethren. He had gone often alone into
the void places seeking the Imperishable Flame; for desire
grew hot within him to bring into Being things of his own,
and it seemed to him that lluvatar took no thought for the
Void, and he was impatient of its emptiness. Yet he found
not the Fire, for it is with lluvatar. But being alone he had
begun to conceive thoughts of his own unlike those of his
brethren.

Some of these thoughts he now wove into his music,
and straightway discord arose about him, and many that
sang nigh him grew despondent, and their thought was
disturbed and their music faltered; but some began to
attune their music to his rather than to the thought which
they had at first. Then the discord of Melkor spread ever
wider, and the melodies which had been heard before
foundered in a sea of turbulent sound. But lluvatar sat and
hearkened until it seemed that about his throne there was a
raging storm, as of dark waters that made war one upon
another in an endless wrath that would not be assuaged.

Then lluvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that he
smiled; and he lifted up his left hand, and a new theme
began amid the storm, like and yet unlike to the former
theme, and it gathered power and had new beauty. But the
discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and
again there was a war of sound more violent than before,
until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer,
and Melkor had the mastery. Then again lluvatar arose, and



the Ainur perceived that his countenance was stem; and he
lifted up his right hand, and behold! a third theme grew
amid the confusion, and it was unlike the others. For it
seemed at first soft and sweet, a mere rippling of gentle
sounds in delicate melodies; but it could not be quenched,
and it took to itself power and profundity. And it seemed at
last that there were two musics progressing at one time
before the seat of lluvatar, and they were utterly at variance.
The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and
blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its
beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of
its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated;
and it had little harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as
of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it essayed
to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it
seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the
other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

In the midst of this strife, whereat the halls of lluvatar
shook and a tremor ran out into the silences yet unmoved,
lluvatar arose a third time, and his face was terrible to
behold. Then he raised up both his hands, and in one
chord, deeper than the Abyss, higher than the Firmament,
piercing as the light of the eye of lluvatar, the Music ceased.

Then lluvatar spoke, and he said: 'Mighty are the Ainur,
and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know,
and all the Ainur, that I am lluvatar, those things that ye have
sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have
done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be
played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any
alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this
shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things
more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.'

Then the Ainur were afraid, and they did not yet
comprehend the words that were said to them; and Melkor
was filled with shame, of which came secret anger. But
lluvatar arose in splendour, and he went forth from the fair
regions that he had made for the Ainur; and the Ainur
followed him.
I dunno man, pretty sure that guy’s batsh$t crazy
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 21st, 2019, 2:21 pm

Mockery is not wisdom but a sign of defeat and mental frustration.

Foolishness is another attempt to derail this thread, from its intended TOPIC.

If Rusty Britches is not around to choose one of his excuses from his 10...... then to carry on Rusty's thread.... I would suggest that if there is a knowledgeable sincere person who wants to discuss any ONE of Rusty's compliants, that they step forward and question sincerely, rather than via sheer mockery and foolishness.
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby 1nick » Jun 21st, 2019, 2:37 pm

What my bible passages not good enough for you?
You don’t like my proofs and truths?
You got some learnin’ to do son.
I dunno man, pretty sure that guy’s batsh$t crazy
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 22nd, 2019, 8:22 am

Hmmm wrote:
capleton wrote:I'd probably put in something like "slavery is wrong" since its pretty much glorified in the bible.
Really? I think you are getting your information from Hollywood. There was a provision in the law of Moses to be a slave to pay off of large debt and maybe that's what you are thinking of? Although the term slave is used its not the brutal slavery we have seen throughout history, it was more of a contract that one would work for a maximum of seven years and then leave debt free with property and animals. The slave owner was to treat the slave pretty much as family. Do you know of a system today that allows for all people to be free of debt their whole lives? Most are slaves to debt until the day you die, so thinking about it that way, the law of Moses was very practical and living with this provision.

Or were you thinking of other cases. Regardless of what any peoples or nations did that would have resulted in servitude to the Jewish nation they were to be treated good.


Agreed, as slaves could even stay with their masters after they served their seven years.

It was their choice, they had served their time and were freed.

Its good to agree with HMMMMMM... sometimes. It shows we are individuals
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby capleton » Jun 23rd, 2019, 12:27 pm

Trying to justify slavery huh? typical Christian

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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 24th, 2019, 8:20 am

capleton wrote:Trying to justify slavery huh? typical Christian


Don't go in debt, or the bankers will get you, don't go in debt or you will be a slave and have to work day and night to try and get out of debt, even as prices rise and inflation rises, and social pressure for a new car rises,.... but they keep telling you are free and not a slave, as you slave away.

But Jesus said and proved

IF the SON (Jesus) shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

In any case you can always have total faith and just live by FAITH, as we have done for fifty some years.
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Davidjayjordan » Jun 24th, 2019, 8:22 am

What would I put in my BIBLE

ALL the words of Jesus
and
All the words of His Prophets

As that's exactly what Jesus said to read and study and know and live OUT in practice and truth.

Question answered and proven by experience, observation and testing
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Ranger66 » Oct 4th, 2019, 8:31 am

"In any case you can always have total faith and just live by FAITH"

I have complete faith just not in your god.
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Re: What would you put in a bible?

Postby Glacier » Oct 4th, 2019, 10:05 am

capleton wrote:Trying to justify slavery huh? typical Christian

We don't live in a Marxist utopia. If there were such a thing slavery would not be necessary. Unfortunately, we have slavery in the past especially, but also in the present. I dove by a hooker last night at midnight standing in the pouring rain with hardly any clothes on. Now, paying for sex isn't my thing, but I felt so sorry for her, I almost entertained the idea of giving her your number just to get her out of her miserable state for the night.

Sexual slavery is a real thing, and this woman is likely a slave who sells her body to pay her master's bills. 400,000 living in slavery in the US alone. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... very-index
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