Faith On Decline

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Faith On Decline

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https://biv.com/article/2022/12/survey- ... ted-states

Thank god . The more ppl that dont believe in made up stuff the better in my opinion
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I find no shortage of people without faith who believe in made up stuff.
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ChocolateNecessary91 wrote: Dec 5th, 2022, 11:12 am I find no shortage of people without faith who believe in made up stuff.
:up: People believing in God should be the least of our concern
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Saw this the other day...
Speaker 1 - Okay, new rule: if you regularly consume the blood and flesh of a demigod in a room full of chanting elders, you're not allowed to call other religions primitive and evil.

Speaker 2 - This is oddly specific and leaves some very interesting questions unanswered.

Speaker 3 - Catholicism sure does sound weird when you put it that way.
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Christians condemning other spiritual practices deemed strange/primitive/witchcraft will never not be funny to me, especially Catholics.

On Sunday you'll eat human flesh and drink human blood to purify yourself and renew the covenant... so maybe you're not in the best position to call anyone out.
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captkirkcanada wrote: Dec 5th, 2022, 9:31 am https://biv.com/article/2022/12/survey- ... ted-states

Thank god . The more ppl that dont believe in made up stuff the better in my opinion
So you see great harm in the Indigenous returning to their faith after enduring the rigours of residential schools and cultural genocide. That's just so disgusting, and downright evil.
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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 5th, 2022, 11:25 am
ChocolateNecessary91 wrote: Dec 5th, 2022, 11:12 am I find no shortage of people without faith who believe in made up stuff.
:up: People believing in God should be the least of our concern
More people have died and more wars have been fought in the name of religion, than all others through history.
Religion is on the decline and religious zealots are being found to be immoral.
How can one have faith in any religion when you can't have faith in their leaders?
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Kodidad wrote: Dec 5th, 2022, 9:15 pm More people have died and more wars have been fought in the name of religion, than all others through history.
Religion is on the decline and religious zealots are being found to be immoral.
How can one have faith in any religion when you can't have faith in their leaders?
I won't argue that, but when I refer to a belief in God, or a higher power or some unexplainable universal force (more in line with theories of quantum physics) I am not referring to religion. Spiritual beliefs and religious beliefs are not mutually inclusive and religious leaders no better or worse than our political leaders. Whether political or religious it is these zealots and their followers (eg. anti-vaxxers, freedumb convoy supporters,Trumpers, etc.) who present the threat, and the thing they have in common is their willingness to spread and be duped by misinformation.
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Well saiid Steven. The terms “religion” and “spirituality” are too often used interchangeably and that is not accurate. From my point of view religion usually involves following an established set of rules or guidelines, often coming in the form of a sacred text of some description. I see spirituality as more of a personal exploration, or search for truth if you will. The former means submitting to the will of others, the latter an exercise in individual freedom. That people find comfort in religion is their own business, but history is replete with examples of so-called “leaders” using religion as a tool to manipulate others for purposes that are clearly not in keeping with the tenets of whatever religion is involved.
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fluffy wrote: Dec 6th, 2022, 6:48 am From my point of view religion usually involves following an established set of rules or guidelines, often coming in the form of a sacred text of some description. I see spirituality as more of a personal exploration, or search for truth if you will. The former means submitting to the will of others, the latter an exercise in individual freedom.
:smt045 Very well said and right on the money as far as
describing the difference between the two terms.
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I'm on board with you both. :130:
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Kodidad wrote: Dec 5th, 2022, 9:15 pm Religion is on the decline and religious zealots are being found to be immoral.
What is moral and immoral in a reality with no god? Where is the foundation for those value judgements?
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Great points , and yea i do agree that when the masses see the leaders not really leading , ppl tend to go hmmm. :up:
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WESTman wrote: Dec 6th, 2022, 10:08 am
What is moral and immoral in a reality with no god? Where is the foundation for those value judgements?
I think morality is based on laws of the land, the common good, the values of the majority. What is moral for some is not so for others. Morals change. Sins that are deemed to be immoral in some countries, are not in others. Improper wearing of a "hijab" get a visit from the "morality police" yet here, it doesn't matter. Multiple wives are fine, yet here it's bigomy. In places, abortion is immoral, being gay is immoral. Depends on where you are and the community values. Does that "immoral" act offend the community, or is it accepted as a norm?
Morality is a complex issue which may have little impact by your belief in god whoever he/she may be. Maybe we, as humanity, are outgrowing that foundation and see its decline, as faith in institutions decline.
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There is actually no wonder why. Most people have a bad experience with a church and its parishioners. Or saw the unbelievable hypocrisy. Or decided to stop waking up in the morning and beating themselves up because someone told them they are a sinner and have to meet unreasonable standards. I went - and I have my fire insurance. No big deal.
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Kodidad wrote: Dec 6th, 2022, 4:56 pm I think morality is based on laws of the land, the common good, the values of the majority. What is moral for some is not so for others. Morals change. Sins that are deemed to be immoral in some countries, are not in others. Improper wearing of a "hijab" get a visit from the "morality police" yet here, it doesn't matter. Multiple wives are fine, yet here it's bigomy. In places, abortion is immoral, being gay is immoral. Depends on where you are and the community values. Does that "immoral" act offend the community, or is it accepted as a norm?
Morality is a complex issue which may have little impact by your belief in god whoever he/she may be. Maybe we, as humanity, are outgrowing that foundation and see its decline, as faith in institutions decline.
So things are moral because people in authority say so? Or because the majority believe it?
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