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is this guy telling the truth?

(you can start at 4:54)
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WHEN WILL WESTERN WAR PIGS WIND THIS UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE DOWN?????????????

BBC says tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died and Zelensky needs hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to replace them. Yes. BBC is just that dumb.
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Thinktank wrote: Jul 29th, 2023, 4:22 pm is this guy telling the truth?
Hard to know if he's telling the truth.

He stated that he's not afraid of dying and is looking forward to going to heaven, then he's celebrating that he was healed by Jesus. Which is it? Does he want to live or go to heaven right away? If I believed in heaven and thought I was going there, I'd just wanna be there if it's eve half as good as believers tell us it is.

PSA tests are notoriously unreliable. And some prostate cancers don't show a positive result on a PSA.
For those men out there, just know that a PSA test results a false positive roughly 75% of the time.
Given that, could it be that this guy didn't actually have 10-12 biopsy's? Only his doctor would know if this guy doesn't. But his doctor doing a PSA test after Jesus healed him, and having it show a negative result isn't impossible, and doesn't mean the cancer is gone. The doctor would have had a biopsy done to confirm the findings.

This guy is performing at a church, surrounded by people who desperately want to believe his story. If he'd presented this story to a panel of physicians or researchers, (believers or not), they'd want to better understand what happened and how. I have doubts that any of them would have concluded that prayer was the reason why his PSA showed negative 0.1.
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youjustcomplain wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 10:10 am
Thinktank wrote: Jul 29th, 2023, 4:22 pm is this guy telling the truth?
Hard to know if he's telling the truth.

He stated that he's not afraid of dying and is looking forward to going to heaven, then he's celebrating that he was healed by Jesus. Which is it? Does he want to live or go to heaven right away? If I believed in heaven and thought I was going there, I'd just wanna be there if it's eve half as good as believers tell us it is.

PSA tests are notoriously unreliable. And some prostate cancers don't show a positive result on a PSA.
For those men out there, just know that a PSA test results a false positive roughly 75% of the time.
Given that, could it be that this guy didn't actually have 10-12 biopsy's? Only his doctor would know if this guy doesn't. But his doctor doing a PSA test after Jesus healed him, and having it show a negative result isn't impossible, and doesn't mean the cancer is gone. The doctor would have had a biopsy done to confirm the findings.

This guy is performing at a church, surrounded by people who desperately want to believe his story. If he'd presented this story to a panel of physicians or researchers, (believers or not), they'd want to better understand what happened and how. I have doubts that any of them would have concluded that prayer was the reason why his PSA showed negative 0.1.
No need for me the check out this healer and fantasy dealer, however the statement,
"just know that a PSA test results a false positive roughly 75% of the time"
is not just wrong but dead wrong.
Please check with the Collage of Urology (association).
An inexpensive test and early detection provides more & different treatment options.
Usually without regular testing and when symptoms appear, prostatectomy is in most cases the only treatment option.
Get regularly tested, especially when this has run in the family, even if you have to pay for the test.
It is the trending of tests, looking for change in PSA levels that is very important for early detection, allowing for treatment options.
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SAILINGONE wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 10:40 am No need for me the check out this healer and fantasy dealer, however the statement,
"just know that a PSA test results a false positive roughly 75% of the time"
is not just wrong but dead wrong.
Please check with the Collage of Urology (association).
An inexpensive test and early detection provides more & different treatment options.
Usually without regular testing and when symptoms appear, prostatectomy is in most cases the only treatment option.
Get regularly tested, especially when this has run in the family, even if you have to pay for the test.
It is the trending of tests, looking for change in PSA levels that is very important for early detection, allowing for treatment options.
It absolutely is a valuable test. I'm not suggesting people not get tested. Just that the PSA test, on its own, isn't enough to state that you do or don't have prostate cancer and that it has a high rate of providing false positives. Get tested, but if your doctor finds something unusual, it doesn't mean cancer, necessarily.

As for my 75%. It was from memory. As I look now to verify that I'm right, I found that the number is lower than I gave.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 2012.7%25.

Still worth getting tested, but not worth making conclusions from at a 46% false positive result and only actually getting it right 13% of the time.
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so a doctor - the same guy who has no clue what caused your loss of sense of smell - in 2021 right after a hundred covid tests - tells you - all of a sudden - that he knows what you got, ...... because of tests he did.

A preacher tells you that God can do miracles.

Who do you believe?

my only complaint is all those guys at 6:08 of the video acting happy because of what this guy is saying. They should stop listening to someone else, and figure stuff out themselves. because the odds are, the preacher was exaggerating.
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the good news is preached to the poor ... as Christian USA and Christian Russia attack Christian Ukraine.
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WHEN WILL WESTERN WAR PIGS WIND THIS UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE DOWN?????????????

BBC says tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died and Zelensky needs hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to replace them. Yes. BBC is just that dumb.
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Thinktank wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 6:58 pm so a doctor - the same guy who has no clue what caused your loss of sense of smell - in 2021 right after a hundred covid tests - tells you - all of a sudden - that he knows what you got, ...... because of tests he did.

A preacher tells you that God can do miracles.

Who do you believe?

my only complaint is all those guys at 6:08 of the video acting happy because of what this guy is saying. They should stop listening to someone else, and figure stuff out themselves. because the odds are, the preacher was exaggerating.

the good news is preached to the poor ... as Christian USA and Christian Russia attack Christian Ukraine.
More of your classic nonsense.
Who here lost their sense of smell, went to their doctor in 2021 after a hundred covid tests and are told that he knows what you got... Come on. You don't trust doctors, I get it. Don't go to a hospital or clinic ever again then. See how many happy years you have left in you.

Preachers can tell us whatever they want. Doesn't make any of it true.

As for Christians killing Christians. Why would it happen any other way? It happens with all faith groups all over the world, all the time. No Christians are enlisting in the military to go kill Christians in other parts of the world. War isn't about Christianity, and you know it.
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youjustcomplain wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 8:10 am
As for Christians killing Christians. Why would it happen any other way? It happens with all faith groups all over the world, all the time. No Christians are enlisting in the military to go kill Christians in other parts of the world. War isn't about Christianity, and you know it.
Actually it doesnt happen with all Christian religious groups... Not ones who actually follow Jesus example
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youjustcomplain wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 12:07 pm
SAILINGONE wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 10:40 am No need for me the check out this healer and fantasy dealer, however the statement,
"just know that a PSA test results a false positive roughly 75% of the time"
is not just wrong but dead wrong.
Please check with the Collage of Urology (association).
An inexpensive test and early detection provides more & different treatment options.
Usually without regular testing and when symptoms appear, prostatectomy is in most cases the only treatment option.
Get regularly tested, especially when this has run in the family, even if you have to pay for the test.
It is the trending of tests, looking for change in PSA levels that is very important for early detection, allowing for treatment options.
It absolutely is a valuable test. I'm not suggesting people not get tested. Just that the PSA test, on its own, isn't enough to state that you do or don't have prostate cancer and that it has a high rate of providing false positives. Get tested, but if your doctor finds something unusual, it doesn't mean cancer, necessarily.

As for my 75%. It was from memory. As I look now to verify that I'm right, I found that the number is lower than I gave.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 2012.7%25.

Still worth getting tested, but not worth making conclusions from at a 46% false positive result and only actually getting it right 13% of the time.
there is Sooooooooo much information out there on how unreliable psa tests are,its not even funny. and your link is just 1 simple example.
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so
if God can do miracles like raising people from the dead
and there are thousands of churches across Canada that makes $millions of dollars to have a guy
stand at the front and tell everyone else that "God can do miracles" - and act like he believes it :smt045

then why did millions of Christians not think God could - do a miracle - and stop them from getting a covid-type flu in 2021?

Because no Christian really believes God can do miracles. They all pretend they do though.
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WHEN WILL WESTERN WAR PIGS WIND THIS UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE DOWN?????????????

BBC says tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died and Zelensky needs hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to replace them. Yes. BBC is just that dumb.
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Thinktank wrote: Aug 4th, 2023, 6:11 am if God can do miracles like raising people from the dead and there are thousands of churches across Canada that makes $millions of dollars to have a guy stand at the front and tell everyone else that "God can do miracles" - and act like he believes it then why did millions of Christians not think God could - do a miracle - and stop them from getting a covid-type flu in 2021?
Christians that believe the Bible to be historically accurate do believe in miracles. But just because they believe that god can perform miracles, doesn't mean that god will prevent them from getting covid-19. It's a strange question to have asked in the first place.

I mean, if we think rationally about what Covid-19 is, it's a virus. If God created everything and has the ability to do as he pleases, then he created a virus specifically capable of killing its host; Humans. If god did all that work to make a virus to kill humans, then why would god perform the miracle of sparing humans from the virus he created to kill us? Besides, what form of miracle would prevent humans from dying from Covid-19? Most of us recover from it without a vaccine. Some few die, and those who are unwell to begin with really don't do well, but what sort of miracle would save everyone?

I don't think many, if any, Christians truly believe that their faith in god will spare them from death. If they did think that, you'd expect them all to take enormous risks and live forever. That's something we don't see.

Thinktank wrote: Aug 4th, 2023, 6:11 am Because no Christian really believes God can do miracles. They all pretend they do though.
Oh I think stories of the miraculous recoveries, like this one, are business and money driven. Gives believers a reason to join and donate to one church over another if one boasts miracles. As long as believers are humans and humans are greedy, we will find ways to manipulate others into giving us their money. Church and faith is just one more sinister way people pray on others vulnerabilities.
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youjustcomplain wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 12:07 pm
SAILINGONE wrote: Aug 2nd, 2023, 10:40 am No need for me the check out this healer and fantasy dealer, however the statement,
"just know that a PSA test results a false positive roughly 75% of the time"
is not just wrong but dead wrong.
Please check with the Collage of Urology (association).
An inexpensive test and early detection provides more & different treatment options.
Usually without regular testing and when symptoms appear, prostatectomy is in most cases the only treatment option.
Get regularly tested, especially when this has run in the family, even if you have to pay for the test.
It is the trending of tests, looking for change in PSA levels that is very important for early detection, allowing for treatment options.
It absolutely is a valuable test. I'm not suggesting people not get tested. Just that the PSA test, on its own, isn't enough to state that you do or don't have prostate cancer and that it has a high rate of providing false positives. Get tested, but if your doctor finds something unusual, it doesn't mean cancer, necessarily.

As for my 75%. It was from memory. As I look now to verify that I'm right, I found that the number is lower than I gave.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 2012.7%25.

Still worth getting tested, but not worth making conclusions from at a 46% false positive result and only actually getting it right 13% of the time.
PSA test does not test for cancer, so it can't give a "false positive" for prostate cancer.
It tests for prostate specific antigen, which varies in men depending on a few factors.
A higher than normal result would alert the physician that that person should be investigated to see if they do have prostate cancer, not that they have it or don't have it.
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Hmmm wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 3:27 pm
youjustcomplain wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 8:10 am
As for Christians killing Christians. Why would it happen any other way? It happens with all faith groups all over the world, all the time. No Christians are enlisting in the military to go kill Christians in other parts of the world. War isn't about Christianity, and you know it.
Actually it doesnt happen with all Christian religious groups... Not ones who actually follow Jesus example
Except all of history suggest otherwise
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capleton wrote: Sep 22nd, 2023, 6:48 pm
Hmmm wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 3:27 pm

Actually it doesnt happen with all Christian religious groups... Not ones who actually follow Jesus example
Except all of history suggest otherwise
There is at least one major Christian religious group that doesn't.
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Hmmm wrote: Sep 23rd, 2023, 3:42 pm There is at least one major Christian religious group that doesn't.
Okay. But they're still wrong when they say we're close to the end of the world.

Completely wrong. As wrong as they were about end of the world predictions before. And as wrong as they
were about the vaxine.

So they're about one for five.
WHEN WILL WESTERN WAR PIGS WIND THIS UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE DOWN?????????????

BBC says tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died and Zelensky needs hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to replace them. Yes. BBC is just that dumb.

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