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re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby common_sense_guy » Jan 8th, 2018, 2:53 pm

Ideally it would be appreciated if only First Responders and people in the medical field add to the thread. It would be nice if you stated what your occupation was and what your thoughts on the epidemic are. Are we throwing too much money at it, are we not throwing enough at it. Maybe give us some idea of what you go through when dealing with this on a personal level day in and day out. Maybe a story or two to Enlighten us on the realities of it. And maybe most importantly what do you think should be done if anything can or should be done. There are far too many people that think they have the answer but I truly believe the answer is in the people dealing with it constantly. thank you. Please respect the idea behind the thread and don't comment unless you're in the medical field. It's a courtesy I'm just asking nicely for please and thank you
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby gman313 » Jan 8th, 2018, 4:34 pm

I am not a medical person but I am commenting anyway

legalize everything and make it available at the pharmacy. Focus on treatment and harm reduction

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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby KelownaCrackinCrew » Jan 8th, 2018, 9:44 pm

Find housing first, then treatment.
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby Loki2u » Jan 8th, 2018, 11:19 pm

common_sense_guy wrote:Ideally it would be appreciated if only First Responders and people in the medical field add to the thread. It would be nice if you stated what your occupation was and what your thoughts on the epidemic are. Are we throwing too much money at it, are we not throwing enough at it. Maybe give us some idea of what you go through when dealing with this on a personal level day in and day out. Maybe a story or two to Enlighten us on the realities of it. And maybe most importantly what do you think should be done if anything can or should be done. There are far too many people that think they have the answer but I truly believe the answer is in the people dealing with it constantly. thank you. Please respect the idea behind the thread and don't comment unless you're in the medical field. It's a courtesy I'm just asking nicely for please and thank you


Hello Common Sense Guy

I'm pretty sure I would meet your 'credentials' to reply to this thread, but I'm not going to. I will however, offer to chat with you over a phone call or in person sometime if you want to PM me.

This is such a multifaceted subject that is hard to describe in words on a forum such as this. I have tried multiple times since I've been a member here and the majority of the time I get the impression my opinions, knowledge or research fall on deaf ears by those who choose to remain ignorant, or close minded. I rarely bother replying anymore as its mostly the same usual suspects using this medium to anonymously bash and judge people simply because they can get away with it. It's these same people that no amount of reasoning will appeal to, so I quit wasting my time. I talk about this enough at work, I don't need to spend more time after hours writing about it to people who don't really care to understand in the first place.

On the other hand, I have had some great discussions with some like-minded and open-minded people on here so it hasn't been a complete failure. If this sounds like you, give me a shout and maybe we can arrange something. If not, no worries....my feelings won't be hurt. [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby common_sense_guy » Jan 12th, 2018, 3:34 pm

Thank you for your response loki2u . unfortunately I'm not someone in any position to help make a difference with it .I was more trying to just get a sense of what the professionals think of the whole thing with their stories and thoughts. And hopefully trying to help educate other people that would read the post.. still hoping some professionals will share a story or two and their thoughts anonymously
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby stuphoto » Jan 12th, 2018, 4:52 pm

the same questions to the Law Enforcement professionals may be interesting too.
Not just police, but also the security guards that may find these people first.
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Jan 12th, 2018, 5:33 pm

common_sense_guy wrote:still hoping some professionals will share a story or two and their thoughts anonymously


If you only want internet thoughts and don't want to meet people in person, I'd really recommend following a place like the LPRC on Facebook or Twitter. The people aren't generally medical professionals but deal with drug-addicted individuals on a daily basis and they share a lot of stories and information.
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby Verum » Jan 12th, 2018, 5:53 pm

I suspect that if you really want a proper idea of what is going on and what might help, talk to the support workers, social workers, etc. who deal with those who are addicted to opiates. The only problem is that if you are like most of the posters on here, you probably don't want to hear what they have to say. I believe there is a branch of the BCASW around and I am sure that if you go to one of their social gatherings, with an open mind ready to listen and ideally free of pre-existing notions, they would be more than happy to discuss the topic with you.

I have discussed this with a few and they rarely paint a simple picture with easy solutions, and publicly popular approaches are almost never the ones they advocate. Money would help, but the biggest changes aren't so simple and require changes to how we work as a society and how we deal with and think about drugs and addiction.

Anyway, I'm not a medic, first responder, etc. so I'm really not qualified to discuss the topic myself, but if you really want to know about it, I think that you could hardly do better than discuss the topic with social workers.
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby JennParker » Jan 12th, 2018, 9:11 pm

Before life took me in another direction, I was an RPN.

To solve the crisis, we need to find the root of the problem. The vast majority of the time, there is a mental health issue.... And there are not enough resources out there to truly help people. We have bandaid resources. Feel good resources. People suffering mental health issues do not think like you and I. Their brains are not working the same, their thought process is foreign to us. People think by cutting off their resources they will suddenly see the light. That is not how it works. Their main circuit board has re-wired itself, to function to their survival.... which is their addiction (based on topic at hand).

Talking with former colleagues, there is an alarming new trend... which may be messing with the overall crisis numbers. People are overdosing on purpose. A form of suicide. A young man I have known for a very long time, finally had enough and took his own life. He decided to OD. He had struggled for many years with addictions and mental health. He could stay clean, but without access to resources he would always fall back into the cycle.

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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby common_sense_guy » Jan 13th, 2018, 11:12 am

Thank you for your post jen Parker. These are exactly the kind of stories I had hoped for to help educate myself and hopefully others on the real situation.
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby JennParker » Jan 14th, 2018, 5:46 am

common_sense_guy wrote:Thank you for your post jen Parker. These are exactly the kind of stories I had hoped for to help educate myself and hopefully others on the real situation.


Addiction is addiction, regardless of the substance. How many people pay their cell phone bill before they put food on their table? There are a lot of young adults whose brains are wired to smart phone addiction. Making sure they have a smart phone is more important than the basic survival needs. It is the exact same as addicts looking for their fix. Take a smart phone away from a kid and they literally go through withdrawl.

Drug addiction and drug addicts have been deemed the bottom feeders of society. Why don't we treat people with food addictions the same? The consequence of food addiction is obesity. If we treat people who are obese the same way we treated addicts... we are body shaming and judging. Yet it's a free for all on people with drug addictions. Until society decides that all addictions are equal, and we treat them all same, we will never make a dent in the issue.
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby liisgo » Jan 14th, 2018, 8:57 am

I will disagree with the post of the majority of users suffer from mental issue's and that we treat these people as bottom feeders of society, sorry. I am on the front line of this issue daily. Its an addiction that started, the majority, with a choice to try drugs. Yes, there are the others ie; prescription drugs.
We opened the gate to cheap, dangerous, heroin, etc. We turned a blind eye to a very illegal addiction. Others addictions, child porn, violence etc, quickly punishable by law enforcement. Day in and day out we treat user's with the most respect. What other illegal activity can you do in front of the law in a public place with families around? none.
Resources? for every 1 person that these resources help to come clean, 10 more addictions start. Why? because you can.
Its cheap if not free, its basically legal, purchasing is available on every corner and in every school.
Truthfully, we need to make importing, selling, transporting narcotics life in prison and actually make the examples.
Scare tactics as an education, yes, We need to start at the beginning not at the end. Do every thing we can to eliminate the source, keep new addictions from happening.
See we have failed drastically up to this point. Proof is in the numbers. The more we make it available, the more its in a troubled persons face, the more that will try it.
The day we offered up free naloxone we saw increases to use of the cheaper, dangerous heroin. You could now buy your drugs from the cheapest most unreliable source because you knew your friend had a kit to save you.
This will get worse, not better. Again, yes we need resources, yes to idea's but remember the more we support it, the more we make it available, the more we create a user environment, the worse it will get.

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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby the truth » Jan 14th, 2018, 10:16 am

and that's the truth
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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby Bman » Jan 14th, 2018, 10:29 am

There's huge profitable industries in keeping a percentage of society addicted.
Interesting to note the 500% increase in the prices of opiate antagonists over the last 4 years coincides with the numbers that have been placed in society at the expense of taxpayers.
They already have naloxone in schools.
I'm curious to know how many students have overdosed during their studies.
I'm surprised they don't have naloxone kits in dispensers in the halls of elementary schools, and I wouldnt be surprised to see it.

Theres huge money in poverty, war and addiction.
For as long as it remains immensely profitable for big business, it will never be allowed to end.
Is the world getting stupider, or is it just getting easier for stupid people to have their thoughts heard?

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Re: re Fentanyl. People in the medical field only please

Postby common_sense_guy » Jan 14th, 2018, 10:45 am

I guess most people here cannot read or have any respect for anybody else's wishes. And I guess I should not be surprised. Great work armchair Warriors getting your word out when there's a million other forms to do it in and only this one I ask for medical professionals. We've all heard you spew your so-called knowledge on all the other forums and just couldn't leave this one alone could you. Some people you just can't educate I guess
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