Crane collapse downtown

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Tankur wrote: Jul 21st, 2021, 5:58 am More speculation. My wife’s co worker who lives and works in the area was by the site right after and noticed a man frantically yelling it was all his fault he forgot something about a bolt up there. Hopefully that comes out..
How many times have we all suddenly wondered if we had turned off the stove or locked the door.
Then rushed back only to find out we had.

I would rule this story as nothing more than that.

Besides forgetting a bolt would have caused the collapse while erecting or during use. Not during dismantling it.
You are not going to remove a bolt below the point you are working at.
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Perhaps this is a perfect illustration that you should hire professionals to do specialized work. Its too easy for a company (I would be willing to say this particular company who had the incident) to go out and purchase a crane and use it without proper education and certification. Especially a complex task like the tear down of that crane. Why? Because specialists know their worth and a company would irrationally think its too costly. So they do it themselves to save a buck.

Unfortunately this cowboy decision to "get er done" caused lives - including a civilian next to the crane. That has been something that is a modern problem. Sub contractors want to save a buck so they do things themselves. How? By opening a shell company - for instance bob the builder cranes - that can be leveraged as a conduit for profit. Cutting out the professionals.

But in the end was the mechanism of profit a good deal for civilians around that crane? I hope that we get back to the place where the cowboy system gets ticketed out of existence. Because jack of all - master of none proved to be deadly in this case. There should be some things you shouldnt just be able to do because you saw how it was done on youtube.
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Those are pretty serious allegations you just posted..
I have serious trouble accepting what you wrote as being the actual case..
I would be surprised if that post lasts till morning.. :smt045
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The video is chilling. And damning.
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bob vernon wrote: Jul 21st, 2021, 9:59 pm The video is chilling. And damning.
which video?
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stuphoto wrote: Jul 21st, 2021, 1:22 pm
Tankur wrote: Jul 21st, 2021, 5:58 am More speculation. My wife’s co worker who lives and works in the area was by the site right after and noticed a man frantically yelling it was all his fault he forgot something about a bolt up there. Hopefully that comes out..
How many times have we all suddenly wondered if we had turned off the stove or locked the door.
Then rushed back only to find out we had.

I would rule this story as nothing more than that.

Besides forgetting a bolt would have caused the collapse while erecting or during use. Not during dismantling it.
You are not going to remove a bolt below the point you are working at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te547Ek0yJo

https://youtu.be/te547Ek0yJo
This is exactly what happened in the deadly Google crane collapse in Seattle. Pins/bolts were prematurely removed.
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Those that don’t know anything about crane dismantling commenting about not removing bolts replacing bolts etc. Couldn’t be me. I make sure my info is correct before typing away.
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I’ve worked in construction 20 + years. Have been a safety officer for 16 of those 20 years. I’m Kelowna for 12. Have been apart of many set up takedowns. 4 bolts hold the erection together. You remove the bolts to take the erection down. I’m just sayin.
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Tankur wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 6:24 am Those that don’t know anything about crane dismantling commenting about not removing bolts replacing bolts etc. Couldn’t be me. I make sure my info is correct before typing away.
Are you saying the castanet forum members are not the experts they claim to be?
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kgcayenne wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 11:33 am
Tankur wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 6:24 am Those that don’t know anything about crane dismantling commenting about not removing bolts replacing bolts etc. Couldn’t be me. I make sure my info is correct before typing away.
Are you saying the castanet forum members are not the experts they claim to be?
Are you an expert on them? :biggrin:
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Well, Bsuds, had a front row seat to the catastrophe… can’t say much. But I can say I’m pretty disgusted by the content of some posts.
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jbthatsme wrote: Jul 22nd, 2021, 11:20 am
This is exactly what happened in the deadly Google crane collapse in Seattle. Pins/bolts were prematurely removed.
There also was a massive wind gust too.
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I am leaning toward pins in the critical holes... Bolts generally have clearance, except for shoulder bolts. Clearance would lead to a sloppy fit. So I am thinking the treated pins in closely fit holes.... would be the choice... :smt045
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how long will it take for the investigations to be complete?

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