Police Scanner codes?

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SurplusElect wrote:
1. I am a private citizen, with no legal authority over anyone.
2. I am paid with private money, not taxdollars
You missed my point. How do you feel about your name, address, birth date and any criminal record being broadcast for anyone that's interested to hear?
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What is private money? LOL Illegal funds? yah think the poster meant they are paid by private enterprise?
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You are not allowed to listen in on/intercept transmissions from authorities. Authorities are allowed to intercept transmissions from you. It does not matter who works for who. Do not question anything. Go back to sleep.
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Woodenhead wrote:You are not allowed to listen in on/intercept transmissions from authorities.


If I remember right, you are allowed to listen as long as it is not rebroadcast nor used for illegal purposes.
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No, that is incorrect. As I mentioned in an earlier post, receiving of such signals is highly illegal.

See Section 9 of the Radio Communications Act of Canada, in particular paragraph 9 (1) (c), (d), (2), and Paragraph 9.1 deals with the punishments . Here is a short (partial) cut and paste of it...

OFFENCES AND PUNISHMENT INFRACTIONS
Prohibitions 9. (1) No person shall
(a) knowingly send, transmit or cause to be sent or transmitted any false or fraudulent distress signal, message, call or radiogram of any kind;
(b) without lawful excuse, interfere with or obstruct any radiocommunication;
(c) decode an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed otherwise than under and in accordance with an authorization from the lawful distributor of the signal or feed;
(d) operate a radio apparatus so as to receive an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed that has been decoded in contravention of paragraph (c); or
(e) retransmit to the public an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed that has been decoded in contravention of paragraph (c).
(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it.

9.1 Every person who contravenes subsection 9(1.1) or (2) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable
(a) in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both; and
(b) in the case of a person other than an individual, to a fine not exceeding seventy-five thousand dollars.


so in short, the laws are very specific about the receiving of communication signals. The activity of receiving unauthorized communications (encrypted or not) is illegal along with possessing the equipment to receive such signals.

You may want to search and give a read to the Communications Act of Canada as it certainly sheds some light on this whole topic.

Hope this helps...

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To be clear, my post was sarcasm, although what I said is exactly how government wants it.

Nothing is 100% secure, and I know at least 2 people who listen to "encrypted" signals. That's all I'll say about that.
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The frequencies listened to before the rcmp went digital were not encrypted so were completely legal under the terms I previously stated.
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Seems there is some misinterpretation of the law going on.

(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it.

The operative word is 'and'. It does not say you cannot intercept radiocommunications. It says you cannot intercept AND make use of/divulge radiocommunications.

Listening to a scanner during an emergency is not illegal. Repeating what is said on a forum is.
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http://home.ica.net/~phoenix/wap/LTR/

I'd much rather be listening.

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so does that law apply to the rcmp and various other pds? how about the provincial, federal, or municipal governments?
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Nebula wrote:Seems there is some misinterpretation of the law going on.

(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the originator of the communication to receive it.

The operative word is 'and'. It does not say you cannot intercept radiocommunications. It says you cannot intercept AND make use of/divulge radiocommunications.

Listening to a scanner during an emergency is not illegal. Repeating what is said on a forum is.
Listening to an un-encrypted scanner is legal. Listening to an encrypted one is illegal. Repeating what is said on either is illegal.
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A_Britishcolumbian wrote:so does that law apply to the rcmp and various other pds? how about the provincial, federal, or municipal governments?
Yes, unless they are authorized to listen to the encrypted transmission by way of legally having the encryption key. In Kelowna, only RCMP can hear RCMP radio communication.
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process99 wrote:http://home.ica.net/~phoenix/wap/LTR/

I'd much rather be listening.

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And breaking the law?
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goatboy wrote: And breaking the law?
Not to be rude, but what does it matter to you?

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process99 wrote:
Not to be rude, but what does it matter to you?

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Well, because if my personal information were ever to be broadcast over the RCMP radio I would not want someone unlawfully hearing all about me, just because they're nosy. You wanted to publicly advertise your flaunting of the law so I wanted to publicly point it out.

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