Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

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Postby tsayta » Jan 11th, 2019, 7:22 pm

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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby kelownaobserver » Jan 13th, 2019, 7:51 pm

One that is not listed that happened in the ‘90’s was the Paul’s tomb fire. It was attacked by both structural firefighters as well as the BC Wildfire Service.
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby MAPearce » Jan 13th, 2019, 7:55 pm

Ok , ok , ok .....

I may have missed it because I only went through the first page BUT ..

How can the cause of a fire be labelled as " human caused" but the " exact cause " be "unknown " ???

Riddle me that one .
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby onestop67 » Jan 13th, 2019, 7:56 pm

Frisk wrote:I added the 2018 incidents to the list (see the first post in the thread). There was a lot of data to go through so let me know if I made a mistake somewhere.


I love the data that you have used to populate your list.

But what is the reason for the list of past local fire activity?
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby onestop67 » Jan 13th, 2019, 8:00 pm

MAPearce wrote:Ok , ok , ok .....

I may have missed it because I only went through the first page BUT ..

How can the cause of a fire be labelled as " human caused" but the " exact cause " be "unknown " ???

Riddle me that one .


Cigarette...camp fire...ATV exhaust...all human caused, but not exactly known which...
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Fancy » Jan 14th, 2019, 6:04 am

The Mount Boucherie fire is of note (May 7, 1992) as it caused the evacuation of homes at the base (Ponderosa Road etc. - about 100 people) and closed down the highway for a bit. Children playing with matches.
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Glacier » Jan 14th, 2019, 8:02 am

Here's a map showing all fires in the past 100 years (excluding 2018 fires)...

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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Fancy » Jan 14th, 2019, 8:41 am

Didn't quite capture the Terrace Mountain fire.
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Glacier » Jan 14th, 2019, 10:23 am

Fancy wrote:Didn't quite capture the Terrace Mountain fire.

How about this?

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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby MAPearce » Jan 14th, 2019, 9:13 pm

onestop67 wrote:
MAPearce wrote:Ok , ok , ok .....

I may have missed it because I only went through the first page BUT ..

How can the cause of a fire be labelled as " human caused" but the " exact cause " be "unknown " ???

Riddle me that one .


Cigarette...camp fire...ATV exhaust...all human caused, but not exactly known which...


Actually , campfire AND exhaust have been identified ..


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Rose Valley
Cause: Campfire
Location: East side of Rose Valley Lake
First detected: August 27th, 2005, late evening
Size: 25 hectares
Evacuated: 75 properties
Structures damaged / destroyed: None

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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Frisk » Jan 15th, 2019, 5:47 pm

MAPearce wrote:How can the cause of a fire be labelled as " human caused" but the " exact cause " be "unknown " ???

Riddle me that one .


If they rule out natural causes like lightning but are unable to determine exactly what caused it then it's usually labeled as human caused with the exact cause unknown.
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Catsumi » Jan 15th, 2019, 6:06 pm

I have been under the impression that after the fire is out, investigators look at the area where the fire began, look at evidence (campfire, lightning, cig butt, talk to those who were first to spot fire, kids around, etc). Then pronounce the cause to the public. So often we hear that the fire cause is "still under investigation", so is this what they are doing?


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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby MAPearce » Jan 15th, 2019, 6:08 pm

If they rule out natural causes like lightning but are unable to determine exactly what caused it then it's usually labeled as human caused with the exact cause unknown.


Just how can "they " rule out " natural " causes IF the cause is unknown ?
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby MAPearce » Jan 15th, 2019, 6:11 pm

Catsumi wrote:I have been under the impression that after the fire is out, investigators look at the area where the fire began, look at evidence (campfire, lightning, cig butt, talk to those who were first to spot fire, kids around, etc). Then pronounce the cause to the public. So often we hear that the fire cause is "still under investigation", so is this what they are doing?


Is that correct or did I misunderstand?


After the fire is out , they look for probable causes . That's my understanding anyway ..
IF there wasn't a weather event predicted or witnessed , who says that a bunch of pine needles couldn't have spontaneously combusted due to extreme heat and a drop of moisture ?

I'd like to see the actual cig butt found at the start of the last forest fire that was deemed " Caused by a smoker" ...
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Re: Central Okanagan fire history (See first post)

Postby Frisk » Jan 15th, 2019, 6:42 pm

MAPearce wrote:Just how can "they " rule out " natural " causes IF the cause is unknown ?

IF there wasn't a weather event predicted or witnessed , who says that a bunch of pine needles couldn't have spontaneously combusted due to extreme heat and a drop of moisture ?



Spontaneous combustion is quite a rare cause from what I understand. I've never heard of it happening from just a drop of moisture, that sounds impossible. In the documented cases of where spontaneous combustion has happened it's always in an area of heavy bacterial activity where heat builds slowly over a period of time, like a hay bale or compost pile. Maybe a swamp as well.

The only other known natural causes are lightning and lava, and we typically don't have active volcanoes here. I'm not entirely sure how they're able to rule out a lightning strike, but you could probably email bcwildfire if you're curious. Lightning strikes often cause damage to the area that they hit which can be recorded afterwards so I'm guessing that probably plays a part in it.
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