No Bail for Fentynal Charges

No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby Nasturtium » Oct 5th, 2016, 4:47 pm

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-177584-1-.htm#177584

The bust came amidst a growing fentanyl epidemic in the Okanagan and throughout B.C. Just last week, a Kamloops man died in Kelowna after using cocaine suspected to have been laced with fentanyl.

McCulloch is no stranger to drug-related run-ins with the law.

At the time of his arrest, McCulloch was out on parole for a 4.5-year sentence for trafficking cocaine. He was described in his parole documents as a “middleman who transported drugs for the Hell's Angels,” and was motivated by the “allure of easy money.”

He was granted full parole in July of 2014, as he was a low risk for violent offending. He was ordered not to associate with any members of the Hell's Angels while out on parole.

In August, 2015, the parole board was made aware of McCulloch's new girlfriend, presumably White, and assessed her in accordance with his parole conditions. Documents state there were “concerns noted in the assessment.”

In October 2015, McCulloch's parole was suspended after he was observed with someone believed to be a member of the Hell's Angels.


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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby lightspeed » Oct 5th, 2016, 5:01 pm

Nasturtium wrote:They can add suspected serial killer to the list


That's quite a statement.

As much as I'm fairly confident these people are just low life scum that need to be dealt with appropriately, that's a jump to make to serial killer.
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby Nasturtium » Oct 5th, 2016, 5:39 pm

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/overdose-murder-new-war-drug-dealers
The New War on Drug Dealers: Charging Them With Murder When Their Customers Die of Overdose

Drug use and abuse is as American as apple pie. But there are different ways of responding to it. Resorting to charging drug dealers with murder is a return to the harsh and punitive drug policies of the 1980s, while embracing harm reduction responses is an approach more suitable to the current century. Punishing drug dealers didn't stop drug use or drug dealing then and is unlikely to stop it now. When it comes to people's craving for dope, the urge to get high will always outweigh the risks and consequences of drug use.
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby the truth » Oct 5th, 2016, 5:43 pm




hope so
all drug dealers should get life in jail,all they do is kill people
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby bob vernon » Oct 5th, 2016, 8:57 pm

Life for dealing fentanyl.

Plus bring back the lash.

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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby voice of reason » Oct 5th, 2016, 9:45 pm

i cant wait till the generation of people brainwashed by the war on drugs are dead and in the ground. this guy should definitley go to jail for a long time but *bleep* with all drug dealers should get life in prison.move to the philipines if you actually think like that.the sentance needs to be appropriate for the crime

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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby LTD » Oct 6th, 2016, 4:19 am

and how many people have died this year alone from people pedalling poison ? life in prison isn't enough your son or daughter could end up dead from the garbage being sold out there

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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby Gixxer » Oct 6th, 2016, 5:17 am

How is she not locked up?
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby Gixxer » Oct 6th, 2016, 5:19 am

Or just legalize drugs.

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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby TylerM4 » Oct 6th, 2016, 7:35 am

If we charge these people with murder, what do we charge actual murderers with? :200:

Should we make a new charge called "Actual Murder"?

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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby Mark1111 » Oct 6th, 2016, 10:15 am

People who sell this *bleep* should be charged with manslaughter. Go directly to jail and stay there forever. Wouldn't loose a second of sleep over it.
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby the truth » Oct 6th, 2016, 10:49 am

Mark1111 wrote:People who sell this *bleep* should be charged with manslaughter. Go directly to jail and stay there forever. Wouldn't loose a second of sleep over it.


fyi a manslaugjhter charge does not get you life in jail, but yes they should get life
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby mexi cali » Oct 6th, 2016, 1:05 pm

TylerM4 wrote:If we charge these people with murder, what do we charge actual murderers with? :200:

Should we make a new charge called "Actual Murder"?


How you murder someone should not be the relevant determining factor. How is poisoning someone with Fentanyl any different from poisoning with arsenic? Or Strychnine?

If you kill your spouse in that way, you get charged with murder.

Or do you think it's because the deceased willingly ingested the product? That makes the difference?

Nobody willingly ingests poison and that is what Fentanyl, when manufactured at street level, is.
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby the truth » Oct 6th, 2016, 1:27 pm

imo ,some do go looking for fentynal, bigger better high at a lower cost,with a price to pay of course :200:
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Re: No Bail for Fentynal Charges

Postby TylerM4 » Oct 6th, 2016, 2:36 pm

mexicalidreamer wrote:How you murder someone should not be the relevant determining factor. How is poisoning someone with Fentanyl any different from poisoning with arsenic? Or Strychnine?

If you kill your spouse in that way, you get charged with murder.

Or do you think it's because the deceased willingly ingested the product? That makes the difference?

Nobody willingly ingests poison and that is what Fentanyl, when manufactured at street level, is.


Well, it's clear you don't understand what the definition of "Murder" actually is.

To murder someone means at it's core that you intended to kill them. It has absolutely nothing to do with HOW you killed them. Selling someone a toxic substance that you know may be harmful to them is not the same as intending to kill. For every 1 fentanyl death, there are 1000 people who took the drug without serious consequences. Many of whom were trilled with the "Potent stuff" they got from their dealer.

At it's core - this is the difference between a manslaughter change and a murder charge. Murder means "Intended to kill" manslaughter means "You knew your actions could have resulted in the death".

In the case of Fentanyl, even a manslaughter charge is a tough sell. The reason being that some of the blame lies with the consumer. The consumer also knew that taking street drugs is risky with large potential for fentanyl instead of your opioid of choice. Heck, there's no proof that they wouldn't have died if they did receive heroin instead. For a manslaughter charge to stick, you've generally got to show that 1 party was innocent. Not something you'll be able to do in the case of street drugs. But certainly a possibility if it was a pharmacist doing it - selling counterfeit pills containing fentanyl out of a pharmacy to legitimate prescription holders. In that scenario, you could probably go with a manslaughter charge.

The best you could hope for is a Criminal negligence charge which essentially means "Anyone with 1/2 a brain would have known the action could have resulted in someone's death". Again - a hard sell with street drugs because the dealer isn't putting the drugs into the person's mouth. How could the dealer know that the junkie was going to take 3 in 1 night while mixing with other drugs/alcohol.

So - what do we charge them with? Trafficking and/or production! That's what we charge them with because hey - it's a charge designed to apply to this particular crime! Everyone including the court system already knows that there is a high chance that you'll get something other than what you buy. This is no different than it's ALWAYS been. The only difference is that we're experiencing a spike in overdoses as a result.
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