Seat Belts on School Buses

Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby stuphoto » Mar 17th, 2017, 7:09 pm

I don't recall ever seeing a commercial vehicle on it's roof due to a rollover. They are always on their sides.
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Fire? Water? Not to sound harsh....but these occurences are so rare and remote that it almost isn't even relevant.

I wish that you were right.
I am in Yellowknife at the moment working on the ice roads.
In the last 3 weeks there have been at least 6 trucks burn to the ground. All makes and models.
Yes trucks are different than busses, and yes I am working in a harsh enviroment.
However trucks and busses do share simular engines, electrical, and brakes.
So neither one is truely excempt from issues the other one has.

On a positive note, all busses are equipt with fire extinguishers, and the drivers should know how to use them.
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby Dizzy1 » Mar 17th, 2017, 8:11 pm

Most modern seats on school buses are designed to prevent children from excessive forward movement and lessen the extent of injuries in a collision by being built with higher and softer backs. Its not as good as a seatbelt, but it is something.

As other posters have mentioned, there are both pro's and con's with seatbelt use - the pro's are obvious but there are scenarios where they can be a safety issue, such as bus fire (we just had a bus go up in flames a couple of days ago where I am right now), roll overs, going into the water. While they do happen, collisions and accidents where seatbelts can be useful, are much more common.

The biggest hurdle is liability, the driver would be ultimately responsible but in the real world, the driver can only do so much. Let's say for example, the driver checks that all the kids have their belts on before they leave, then one of the kids takes their belt off and something happens - the driver says he/she checked the belt and the kid says he didn't - its a legal nightmare.

Then there is another scenario, lets say a kid has problems putting their belt on. Is the driver allowed to assist? Or is that possibly touching the child inappropriately? It sounds silly, but its an unfortunate fact of the world we live in.
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby Fancy » Mar 17th, 2017, 8:15 pm

Loki2u wrote:Kids don't know how to unbuckle a seat belt?

In lots of cases - no. And neither do adults in an emergency situation - people panic.
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby LTD » Mar 17th, 2017, 8:16 pm

Loki2u wrote:Kids don't know how to unbuckle a seat belt?

theres some adults ive seen that cant operate a seat belt some even post on here

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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby GordonH » Jan 27th, 2019, 9:32 am

Bumped
impo there are both pro's & con's to having seat belts on school buses.
Also realizing the way school buses are designed are selt belts actual needed.
Who is liable if the child isn't buckled in.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/24 ... -seatbelts
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby LTD » Jan 27th, 2019, 9:36 am

GordonH wrote:Bumped
impo there are both pro's & con's to having seat belts on school buses, also realizing the way school buses are designed are selt belts needed.
Who is liable if the child isn't buckled in.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/24 ... -seatbelts

whos liable if the bus is on fire and a child panics and cant undo the seat belt
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby jasond_71 » Jan 27th, 2019, 6:13 pm

There hasn't been a death in 10 years and before that who knows why they died. Seems like they are not needed?
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby chetgunderson » Feb 8th, 2019, 1:24 am

This is a ridiculous debate, I'm a father of 2 children who take the bus. My daughter is fearful everyday of falling out of her seat because she has seen other kids fall out of their seats. We wear seat-belts in all other modes of transportation, give the kids damn seat belts. This is being debating because transport Canada is trying to protect themselves, cities don't want to pay for them and the bus manufacturers are lobbying against them. So it's $ and sleazy politics over our children's safety.

https://www.change.org/p/transport-cana ... -buses-now
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby Fancy » Feb 8th, 2019, 7:23 am

jasond_71 wrote:There hasn't been a death in 10 years and before that who knows why they died. Seems like they are not needed?

There may not have been a death in the Okanagan but there certainly has been in Canada (Calgary 2017 I believe).

There have been accidents concerning busses that had seatbelts and the one comment I read that caught my eye was the schoolbus that had people hanging from their seatbelts.

Some info here:

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2016/rpt/2016-R-0318.htm
http://www.ncsl.org/research/transporta ... belts.aspx

All busses would have to be redesigned according to an earlier article posted.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local ... 28572.html
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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby ShannonG » Feb 8th, 2019, 9:02 am

I watched a very interesting documentary not long ago on this very topic. The reason Canadian school buses have no seat belt is based entirely on a very flawed 1984 crash test where they tested front impacts only. Of course the padded seat backs performed well in that scenario, but further testing by private groups has shown that side impacts and rollovers rendered the padded seat backs useless. The majority of bus accidents involve the school bus being hit by another vehicle (side impact) and that is where you see terrible injuries and fatalities.
Even the US, with their crumbling schools and thirty year old textbooks, is putting seat belts in their buses.
One day last winter my husband drove past our local school bus hanging off the edge of a cliff on Postill Rd. The tow truck was already there and the bus had been evacuated. I would have liked the kids to have been buckled if that bus had gone over the edge.

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Re: Seat Belts on School Buses

Postby Fancy » Feb 8th, 2019, 9:11 am

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