KGH tightens security

[alanjh595]

A public hospital such as KGH does not have the right to turn away patients.

http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/ ... m#c.%C2%A0 Patients%E2%80%99 txt

sad but true

It may be true, but it is not sad. If hospitals were allowed to pick and choose their patients by medical conditions and their ability to deal with the trauma that their behaviour is, at this particular moment of time, that they may not be able to control, and is a symptom related to their injury.........who would have the expertise to diagnose and reject that patient?
Whether the injury is a visible and of soft tissue in nature, or a chemical imbalance in the brain that is not so easily seen by the naked eye, don't they all get to be treated equally?
They are at the hospital and they require treatment. Where else are they to go? Jail?
Do you know how easily it is to hurt oneself in a cell?
Even the cells won't accept someone that has not been cleared medically before housing them.

[WalterWhite]

A public hospital such as KGH does not have the right to turn away patients.

http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/ ... m#c.%C2%A0 Patients%E2%80%99 txt

sad but true

What’s sad is your view that not everyone deserves the same right to health care as others based solely on their stance in life. Fortunately the system doesn’t agree with you. That’s really not a far step from advocating execution simply because they don’t fit into your perceived mold of a model citizen. That’s sad. Count your lucky stars your family situation is as perfect as you claim it to be. There’s many a good son, daughter, father or mother that no matter how much of a fairytale upbringing they had, made one or a number of bad choices at some point in their life, and had the very health care you feel they should simply be denied and tossed out of not been there, they likely wouldn’t be either.

[normaM]

Last time I was at ER ( early Sunday morn) it was actually mostly people still stoned.. twice security had to be called. :( One guy was pizzed off he couldn't get a muffin. Big signs saying zero tolerance for violence doesn't have any impact.
Have to admit it was fairly scary sitting there as ppl flipping out. A reason that at least one walk in clinic has a banned list.
Should IDK, maybe at some point KGH will have to ban some from walking into to ER - dangerous not just to staff but others waiting to be seen by a Doctor.

[alanjh595]

Every patient WILL be treated on a priority basis. It's called triage. Patients are all assessed on the same scale. A B C D.
A=Airway
B=Breathing
C=Circulation
D=Deadly bleeding

If you don't fit into one of those categories, consider yourself lucky enough to be able to complain. It might hurt, but there are others that have priority.

[the truth]

Last time I was at ER ( early Sunday morn) it was actually mostly people still stoned.. twice security had to be called. :( One guy was pizzed off he couldn't get a muffin. Big signs saying zero tolerance for violence doesn't have any impact.
Have to admit it was fairly scary sitting there as ppl flipping out. A reason that at least one walk in clinic has a banned list.
Should IDK, maybe at some point KGH will have to ban some from walking into to ER - dangerous not just to staff but others waiting to be seen by a Doctor.

exactly

[MAPearce]

Last time I was at ER ( early Sunday morn) it was actually mostly people still stoned.. twice security had to be called. :( One guy was pizzed off he couldn't get a muffin. Big signs saying zero tolerance for violence doesn't have any impact.
Have to admit it was fairly scary sitting there as ppl flipping out. A reason that at least one walk in clinic has a banned list.
Should IDK, maybe at some point KGH will have to ban some from walking into to ER - dangerous not just to staff but others waiting to be seen by a Doctor.

exactly

Not exactly .... The amount of violence directed at doctors , nurses and care aides isn't from the stoners or junkies .

To label them as the worst offenders doesn't solve the problem , it only serves to deflect the problem .

[normaM]

MA- I am talking about what I saw at ER, not on the Wards... the people who were causing problems were clearly stoned. Poor old people there ( why would you send a Senior to ER without someone to talk about meds etc) were afraid.
I reckon someone screaming " I've been here an hour where is the effing Dr and a muffin"
isn't about to die
Trust me, I have spent enough at a hospital. Betting money some were Regs. Touching when their partner who laid the beating on them showed up and we could witness the Love Fest.
btw, the ER Dr been there since time began is awesome..even his nerves frayed

[MAPearce]

MA- I am talking about what I saw at ER, not on the Wards... the people who were causing problems were clearly stoned. Poor old people there ( why would you send a Senior to ER without someone to talk about meds etc) were afraid.
I reckon someone screaming " I've been here an hour where is the effing Dr and a muffin"
isn't about to die
Trust me, I have spent enough at a hospital. Betting money some were Regs. Touching when their partner who laid the beating on them showed up and we could witness the Love Fest.
btw, the ER Dr been there since time began is awesome..even his nerves frayed

Uh huh ... As much as MrsMA is allowed to tell me , you know "how it works" as much as I do ..

It's not a perfect system . Everyone has their own level of need and certain expectations of how a "free" system works BUT , those who abuse the system , and it's staff ,the most are NOT the stoners and "junkies" as Truth "suggests" in his opening post...

to suggest that the reason that our OVER capacity hospital , and it's OVER WORKED staff need more security because of junkies is just plain asinine ... ER included .

Straight up ...

[normaM]

Doubt they wait til a walk in opens.
I am not saying nothing but Junkies at ER
I am saying that we have bent over backwards for them...
I didn't see the elderly having security called. Didn't see the truly ill having security called
Perhaps it is time for a Clinic to open to assist those who have issues larger than ER can handle

[MAPearce]

Perhaps it is time for a Clinic to open to assist those who have issues larger than ER can handle

I think they do ... AND it goes to where they'd prefer to "shoot up" ...

Doubt they wait til a walk in opens.

They don't , but neither do seniors or any other of the "conipcious" types when their noses start to run .

I didn't see the elderly having security called. Didn't see the truly ill having security called

You need to work on the wards to see that ....

[WalterWhite]

Doubt they wait til a walk in opens.
I am not saying nothing but Junkies at ER
I am saying that we have bent over backwards for them...
I didn't see the elderly having security called. Didn't see the truly ill having security called
Perhaps it is time for a Clinic to open to assist those who have issues larger than ER can handle

Health care dollars are already stretched beyond thin. I highly doubt you or anyone else that sees this as a major problem be willing to pay more in taxes to outfit a special clinic as you describe.

I have been through KGH ER over a dozen times in the past year and a half, and I must have just been lucky I guess, as the care and attention put forward to both myself and family was nothing other than exceptional. Sure there were at times those one would consider, “marginalized” citizens that were present, however the existing security and hospital staff more than capably dealt with the couple of minor issues I witnessed. Not saying there isn’t problem cases, as hospital staff have been requesting additional help for some time therefore it’s warranted.

What possible criteria would there be to say who gets standard health care and who gets sent to “The Clinic”? Bending over backwards for junkies is no different than treating alcoholics, the clinically depressed, the obese, the 3-packs-a-day smokers etc. Nobody’s perfect - even those that think they are - but we all should have the right to universal health care.

Some day there will be a private hospital built across the lake by the WFN, and those that don’t want to put up with having to encounter the dregs of society will be free to pony up and pay for whatever level of personalized private treatment they wish to pay for.

[MAPearce]

but we all should have the right to universal health care.

I just settled my tab for that ....

Cost me close to 4 grand ... Right my *bleep*.

Didn't use it for 15 years and when I did , it was a WCB thing so they payed ...

In BC , even now with the NDG in power it seems that " universal health care " is more of a mandatory schedule five payroll deduction ...

[mexi cali]

Now if only these two new security specialists can figure out the lay of the hospital to where they can get to where the Shiiiits goin down in under ten minutes, maybe all them nurses and doctors can breathe a big ol sigh of relief.

[mexi cali]

It's not just "junkies" that can be violent. There are other medical issues that can result in violence as well.

I don't think kicking them out would be a viable option and no matter what the cause we all deserve Medical care in a safe environment.

No, but maybe corralin them all into one place with doors that lock might be an option.

[mexi cali]

It's not just "junkies" that can be violent. There are other medical issues that can result in violence as well.

I don't think kicking them out would be a viable option and no matter what the cause we all deserve Medical care in a safe environment.

Most of the wallops MrsMA gets are from dementia patients not from junkies... And a lot of the verbal abuse comes from family members of patients..

About time for more security ...

Yup. But security that are actually able to defend those that need defending. And not to take TRuths side completely here, but he's not wrong in a large sense. The issues that KGH has reagrding violence is their proximity to the downtown core. Lets face it; on a crappy night, the hospital is nice and warm with coffee and such and a lot of the people looking for attention are there for that. A little poke and a prod from an MD is a small price to pay for comfort.

Problem is, it takes away from those who genuinely need help and in more cases than you may think, and as hard as it may be to get your head around it, some of these folks act out.

Doctors be doctors and nurses be nurses.

They don't be needin to have to fight off.....crap, this is always where it gets me. don't want to offend no ones sensibilities but the truth is, well, I'll let y'all fill in the blanks as to the type o folk I'm describin here.

If ya doan wanna believe it, take a stroll on down most any night. It's a trip.