Homeless house strikes fear

Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby the truth » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:10 am

bjsilent wrote:
W105 wrote:no one will ever convince me that a person who is in recovery, which by the way is THEIR personal choice to stop using will do well with being housed with other drug using addicts who are not in recovery...

just ask any recovered addict...being sober and staying sober for an addict is hard enough...living/being around any temptation for a relapse makes zero sense..

It's all about money and The John Howard Society knows that!!! House them together and they will never recover from their addictions. Gaelene Askeland is a royal :swear: and she couldn't care less if these people beat their demons.It's all about keeping herself employed and creating more jobs for the organization she's employed with.


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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby the truth » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:13 am

one wheel wrote:Is anyone familiar with the Crossroads Treatment Centre & why or what the problems were that had it close ?

I remember hearing that funding was always an issue but was there a lot more to it than that ?

They had great councillors that cared.

Was their problem that they only had one goal - to try to get people off their addictions ?


never really made the news but, upper management were paying themselves if you know what i mean
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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby Fancy » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:20 am

From 2013:

Hopkins said Crossroads and IHA renewed their funding contract last year for a three-year term, and that Crossroads approached them last year citing financial problems.

"They did approach the IHA for an 85 per cent increase in funding, but the IHA was only able to provide a 30 per cent increase."


http://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/news/ ... ae4a3.html

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/8 ... -leave-gap
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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby liisgo » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:30 am

Any shelter built with close proximity to the same environment that allows/promotes/fuels all the problems that started this whole issue in the first place will not help one single person. We created an environment that allows crime, drug use, homelessness to flourish. We cannot give someone 1 hr of treatment, then they walk out the door and have a junkie selling them more drugs, crime opportunity etc, etc.
Build recovery, assisted living shelter out of town, put only the individuals that want to recover, get treatment, learn to work etc in them. Close all the rest down.

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby pieinthei » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:47 am

liisgo wrote:Any shelter built with close proximity to the same environment that allows/promotes/fuels all the problems that started this whole issue in the first place will not help one single person. We created an environment that allows crime, drug use, homelessness to flourish. We cannot give someone 1 hr of treatment, then they walk out the door and have a junkie selling them more drugs, crime opportunity etc, etc.
Build recovery, assisted living shelter out of town, put only the individuals that want to recover, get treatment, learn to work etc in them. Close all the rest down.



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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby W105 » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:55 am

kind of disagree, but also agree with you a bit there liisgo...detox and treatment centers can be a ways from town as it's basically a hospital for addicts and they don't need any services at that time...shelters most certainly shouldn't be in the downtown core because we now can see the problems they create are only getting worse...BUT this facility that is being built should remain in town and close to services but should only house those who are sober and in recovery ( these people should have a certain number of days of sobriety under their belt as a requirement to get a place) because they do deserve a chance to get back into living life again..and a home is the first step in doing that and getting employment...

I truly have no real good idea where shelters that help the homeless daily should be placed... but they cannot be forgotten in this situation..many people need that hot meal or bed

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby Zoso » Jan 10th, 2019, 12:24 pm

Perhaps there should be pee tests to get accomodation to prove you are actually homeless down on your luck and not a loser. And then get the wagon to round up whats left and haul them to the straight jacket place. Ta Da ..

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby Scrobins94 » Jan 10th, 2019, 2:43 pm

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby Fancy » Jan 10th, 2019, 2:50 pm

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby W105 » Jan 10th, 2019, 3:03 pm

hahahaha..except you can't to that to gal Scrobins :) but I get the jest of what Zoso is saying...if you require and need help it should be there for you as this is Canada...but this is getting kind of crazy where those in need keep being allowed to live anyway they want without any type of personal responsibility when they get that help..if you take there is no reason why you shouldn't be giving to your own cause "you" which should be getting better...and that should be the end game..not just maintaining the same lifestyle..
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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby Grandan » Jan 10th, 2019, 5:15 pm

liisgo wrote:Any shelter built with close proximity to the same environment that allows/promotes/fuels all the problems that started this whole issue in the first place will not help one single person. We created an environment that allows crime, drug use, homelessness to flourish. We cannot give someone 1 hr of treatment, then they walk out the door and have a junkie selling them more drugs, crime opportunity etc, etc.
Build recovery, assisted living shelter out of town, put only the individuals that want to recover, get treatment, learn to work etc in them. Close all the rest down.

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby WalterWhite » Jan 10th, 2019, 6:12 pm

Grandan wrote:
liisgo wrote:Any shelter built with close proximity to the same environment that allows/promotes/fuels all the problems that started this whole issue in the first place will not help one single person. We created an environment that allows crime, drug use, homelessness to flourish. We cannot give someone 1 hr of treatment, then they walk out the door and have a junkie selling them more drugs, crime opportunity etc, etc.
Build recovery, assisted living shelter out of town, put only the individuals that want to recover, get treatment, learn to work etc in them. Close all the rest down.

I see that you are the expert on these matters.


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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby tantor » Jan 10th, 2019, 7:41 pm

Scrobins94 wrote:The problem likely isn't Hearthstone. The problem could be the other homeless/junky friends of the residents of Hearthstone. This is why we need the supportive housing at Agassiz Rd (and other supportive housing projects) to go through so all these people are put in a path to recovery and reintegration. :smt045


Actually 20% of the residents at Hearthstone are part of the problem. I know as I am right there in the neighborhood. I can honestly say that 80% of the residents are no problem at all. It's the one's they turn loose that have mental heath issues or are high as a kite that present the problem. We now have a substantial coalition forming in the neighborhood to address the issues that we are facing. I am just sick and tired of the lies and treating the public like we are stupid. We won't allow a marijuana dispensary next to a school or a pub next to a school. yet we are going to allow the hardest drug users next to a retirement community? JHS says there is no risk?!! Drug users attract drug dealers! Drug dealers attract other drug users that are not residents of JHS! Hard drug sales activities attract hard and violent crime! Either that or all the news from around the world is fake! Including the stories on CBC. Global or Castanet who have reported on all of the narcotics and illegal guns that have been recently confiscated during busts! So who is telling the truth!? JHS or the media and RCMP!? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Re: Homeless house strikes fear

Postby the truth » Jan 10th, 2019, 9:53 pm

you will never get the truth from jhs and the local news they do what there told, the deleted threads on these forums prove that,, this post will prove that
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