...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea....

...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea....

Postby dle » Dec 24th, 2018, 7:57 am

https://www.castanet.net/news/World/245 ... e-highrise

I hope City Council and Mayor Nose in the Sky read this and at least go hmmmm.......

Besides the question of safety ie the fact the fire department can't get ladders to you at that height in a fire or other emergency, there are other issues (think Dolphins) that can compromise the stability of such high builds. Building skyrises in Kelowna has always struck me as being a kind of iffy proposition - and I am admittedly not educated on the subject so fully prepared to suffer the blowback here.

What little I know of Kelowna's ground base is that there are creeks running everywhere underneath this City, high water tables, silty and unstable ground foundation meandering hither and yon and other things I would uneducatedly think would be adverse to building skyrise buildings - especially in the downtown area within blocks of the lake. We all know where they are building these skyrises - right downtown within blocks of the lake. Settling of buildings is a natural occurrence and not usually dangerous when built on stable ground but if not.....

The argument that I should shut it and let the planners and engineering experts do their jobs is a good one and I'll take it on the chin. However, I am sure whoever planned and built the tower in the story that originated this post were also experts so I'm still in the corner of forget skyrises in the downtown area of Kelowna. If I could have my druthers it would be to forget skyrises in Kelowna period for the safety issues of egress in the event of a serious scenario.
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby LTD » Dec 24th, 2018, 8:26 am

thousands upon thousands of high rise buildings all over the world some built on much more difficult ground than here and a problem with one means we should push the panic button come on now, this will come down to an engineering mistake and will end up being repaired and someone will quietly be fired.

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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby dgb » Dec 24th, 2018, 8:35 am

I'm not an engineer, either, but I don't think we should stop building highrises in Kelowna due to the structural failure of a building in Australia. If/when it is safe to do so, the Australians will be looking for root causes, i.e. human error, environmental, or both.

I don't recall any catastrophic structural failures of any high rises in Canada, but I am fully prepared to be corrected on that point :-)
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Re: ...another reason houses are not a great idea....

Postby Wave101 » Dec 24th, 2018, 8:40 am



I hope City Council and Mayor Nose in the Sky read this and at least go hmmmm.......

Houses that blow up all the time are extremely dangerous to peoples health. I mean someone could get a black eye or something. These "houses" that have been popping up all over the place need to be stopped before it is too late. Caves have always been a safe place for humans to live so why stop living in them? This is maddness!

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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby dgb » Dec 24th, 2018, 8:53 am

I don't care what the entire Reddit community thinks, Castanet forums are just so awesome.
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby TylerM4 » Dec 24th, 2018, 9:45 am

Seriously tho DLE - skyrise/highrise development is done in every major city in the world. Kelowna is a fast growing city. Why the heck is it a good idea for every other city but not for kelowna? Do you seriously think that fire departments invest in equipment to fight highrise fires BEFORE the city has any buildings that need it? Lack of firefighting equipment is one of the silliest arguments you could have come up with. Unstable soil conditions exist in MOST cities - that's why we have geotechnical and structural engineers. Literally 100's of thousands of highrise buildings out there, it's extremely rare for them to collapse/fail.

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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby dle » Dec 24th, 2018, 10:12 am

I am doing zero panicking - I'll never live in one for a few reasons, this being one of them, which is simply a personal choice.

I was trying to illuminate the very thing @ LTD just did even though I'm sure it was meant as a differing opinion to mine - that being when humans build them there is room for error and some errors are way more costly than others in terms of danger to life.

Thousands of people were evac'd from this one in Australia safely thank goodness but they still don't know what the cause of the shift is or if it is a danger going forward. If it turns out to be "something" of significance, and was the error of an engineer and he/she is quietly fired, does it make that building any safer? Or the building of any other ones which are also built by humans capable of error? There are all the other people in the surrounding area that debris could endanger should the worst happen.

There have been lots of skyrises fires that have taken lives all over the world due to people being trapped too high to escape. Some caused by poor building codes that allowed the fire to run rampant before anything could be done. Buildings have collapsed all over - a lot due to human error in engineering etc. I'm not saying it's a daily occurrence but of course it happens and a lot of times its because they are built in the wrong places on the wrong soil etc. Another point I was trying to make about Kelowna's ground.

I'm not running around yelling the sky is falling - but everyone who is so quick to dismiss it so lightly and label me a fear-monger could possibly look at a bigger picture. I purposely mentioned the Dolphins as and example right here in Kelowna as it has had it's fair share of POSSIBLE dangerous advents and how long were those people out of their homes? It was blamed on a few things and unstable ground being one of them from what I remember. I sure can't say if it's fixed for good or if the cracks and leaks will come back to haunt those very expert engineers who said it was fixed. I mean the first guys that built it said it was good to go!

I'm just saying you never know and I think personally I'd rather be closer to the ground!

Just MPO so everyone can calm down now and carry on with your morning :bethecoffee: coffees!

EDIT: Thanks Urban Cowboy for reminding me the buildings I was trying to refer to are the Discovery Bay condos, not the Dolphins......
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby WalterWhite » Dec 24th, 2018, 10:19 am

Slow day for topics I guess....
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby OKkayak » Dec 24th, 2018, 11:56 am

I think Kelowna shouldn't let the airport expand anymore because airplanes can crash :135:

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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 24th, 2018, 12:02 pm

dgb wrote:I'm not an engineer, either, but I don't think we should stop building highrises in Kelowna due to the structural failure of a building in Australia. If/when it is safe to do so, the Australians will be looking for root causes, i.e. human error, environmental, or both.

I don't recall any catastrophic structural failures of any high rises in Canada, but I am fully prepared to be corrected on that point :-)


I'd call the mess that transpired at Discovery Bay Condos catastrophic, at least to the original purchasers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... e-1.597022

http://blog.myleakycondo.com/index.php? ... logId=1060
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby dgb » Dec 24th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Urban Cowboy wrote:
dgb wrote:I'm not an engineer, either, but I don't think we should stop building highrises in Kelowna due to the structural failure of a building in Australia. If/when it is safe to do so, the Australians will be looking for root causes, i.e. human error, environmental, or both.

I don't recall any catastrophic structural failures of any high rises in Canada, but I am fully prepared to be corrected on that point :-)


I'd call the mess that transpired at Discovery Bay Condos catastrophic, at least to the original purchasers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... e-1.597022

http://blog.myleakycondo.com/index.php? ... logId=1060


Financally catastrophic, yes, but no loss of life. I believe the buildings are still there, too? They were last week, anyway
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby GordonH » Dec 24th, 2018, 1:55 pm

Kelowna should have gone upwards much more back in early 90s instead of outwards.
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 24th, 2018, 2:06 pm

dgb wrote:Financally catastrophic, yes, but no loss of life. I believe the buildings are still there, too? They were last week, anyway


True but the point was we don't need to go far to find examples of substandard workmanship.

You should check out the workmanship in the tallest structure on that same road. It's an eye opener too.

I have no issue with high rises, but I do with terrible work quality, so based on what I've encountered I'd say Kelowna is in dire need of better inspectors, as well as contractors that understand how to use a level.
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Even Steven » Dec 24th, 2018, 2:11 pm

Urban Cowboy wrote:I have no issue with high rises, but I do with terrible work quality, so based on what I've encountered I'd say Kelowna is in dire need of better inspectors, as well as contractors that understand how to use a level.

Lol ok there Mike Holmes. The number of high rises in Kelowna that collapsed = zero.
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Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Scrobins94 » Dec 24th, 2018, 2:11 pm

Urban Cowboy wrote:
dgb wrote:I'm not an engineer, either, but I don't think we should stop building highrises in Kelowna due to the structural failure of a building in Australia. If/when it is safe to do so, the Australians will be looking for root causes, i.e. human error, environmental, or both.

I don't recall any catastrophic structural failures of any high rises in Canada, but I am fully prepared to be corrected on that point :-)


I'd call the mess that transpired at Discovery Bay Condos catastrophic, at least to the original purchasers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... e-1.597022

http://blog.myleakycondo.com/index.php? ... logId=1060


A couple of issues with your post.

1) Discovery Bay is NOT a highrise
2)The first article states that:
The engineer determined some of the load-bearing walls are not up to code, and the building is vulnerable to strong winds and earthquakes.

So in reality your post is more a reference towards a non-compliance code issue in a lowrise.

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