...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea....

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby LTD » Dec 25th, 2018, 11:09 am

GordonH wrote:One of the 10+ story building in downtown area of Kelowna, had issues after completion condo owners had problems with opening & closing doors.

This goes back to my earlier post about what this area once was.

most of the lower mainland is built on the same kind of ground, and muuucchh larger buildings in Singapore are built on ground they reclaimed from the ocean

3 people like this post.
LTD
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4479
Likes: 3138 posts
Liked in: 3563 posts
Joined: Mar 31st, 2010, 3:34 pm

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Dec 25th, 2018, 11:14 am

Wait a second , you got your view ..
Is that not enough ? What ?.?
You also expect doors to open and close easily? And if you run a plumbob held at arms length , down 10 floors, you don't want it to touch the building , before the ground ?
Is that what you Are asking... sheesh... ! !
What the heck do you think this is ? KELOWNA in the 70,s or something ?
I'd like to help You OUT,
Which way did You come in??

Urban Cowboy likes this post.
User avatar
60-YEARS-in-Ktown
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4188
Likes: 601 posts
Liked in: 2410 posts
Joined: Sep 24th, 2006, 11:43 am
Location: Wrong side of the Tracks

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Grandan » Dec 25th, 2018, 2:48 pm

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:Wait a second , you got your view ..
Is that not enough ? What ?.?
You also expect doors to open and close easily? And if you run a plumbob held at arms length , down 10 floors, you don't want it to touch the building , before the ground ?
Is that what you Are asking... sheesh... ! !
What the heck do you think this is ? KELOWNA in the 70,s or something ?

The shrinkage of a wood frame building compared to a concrete block wall adjacent is significant with 3 stories. One of the reasons you don't ever attach a building to it's interior fire walls.
Even while using kiln dried lumber the shrinkage continues as well as does settlement as weight is added with additional height. Wood expands and contract through different seasons as well. As far as being out of plumb by 2 ft on a 10 storey building, that's crazy.
Waste not

featfan likes this post.
Grandan
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2028
Likes: 224 posts
Liked in: 953 posts
Joined: Aug 14th, 2007, 4:05 pm
Location: Kelowna

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Grandan » Dec 25th, 2018, 3:04 pm

Urban Cowboy wrote:
Grandan wrote: You clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about.


While you appear to be resorting to the s :cuss: t happens excuse in the course of defending bad workmanship.

Home buyers don't give a hoot about the passing the buck game, they just want what they paid for and are entitled to receive.

Homeowners have the new home warranty.
Are you suggesting that every new building in Kelowna has major design or construction flaws?
Depending on the contract every Architect has the power to hold back payment if work is not performed satisfactorily so it is in the best interest of the contractor to get it right the first time. Been watching too much Holmes on Homes?
You started blaming the Building Inspector, now you are suggesting I am ok with poor workmanship.
I know some workmen make unauthorized changes which they then cover up, how are you going to control that? Blame the inspector? There is a good reason why concrete reinforcement is inspected by the engineer before the concrete is poured. A lot can go wrong. Full specifications looks after what needs to be done, willfully deviating from specs is only controlled through vigilance.
Waste not
Grandan
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2028
Likes: 224 posts
Liked in: 953 posts
Joined: Aug 14th, 2007, 4:05 pm
Location: Kelowna

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 25th, 2018, 8:39 pm

Ironic that you should mention Holmes, given the many excellent examples of how far the home warranty program got some of the people.

I'm certainly not suggesting all construction is bad, just that I've encountered a lot of stuff here that would never have passed in other jurisdictions I resided in.
“A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do.” -Bob Dylan
User avatar
Urban Cowboy
Guru
 
Posts: 5155
Likes: 5424 posts
Liked in: 7423 posts
Joined: Apr 27th, 2013, 3:47 pm

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Grandan » Dec 26th, 2018, 11:05 am

Urban Cowboy wrote:Ironic that you should mention Holmes, given the many excellent examples of how far the home warranty program got some of the people.

I'm certainly not suggesting all construction is bad, just that I've encountered a lot of stuff here that would never have passed in other jurisdictions I resided in.

The reason Holmes is on the job is because of the home warranty, insurance is paying for it.
Waste not
Grandan
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2028
Likes: 224 posts
Liked in: 953 posts
Joined: Aug 14th, 2007, 4:05 pm
Location: Kelowna

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 26th, 2018, 1:34 pm

Clearly you have it all figured out, at least in your mind. Good on you. :up:
“A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do.” -Bob Dylan
User avatar
Urban Cowboy
Guru
 
Posts: 5155
Likes: 5424 posts
Liked in: 7423 posts
Joined: Apr 27th, 2013, 3:47 pm

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Terris » Dec 27th, 2018, 6:03 pm

It's just a matter of time before an earthquake brings the whole development mess here back down to reality...

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... 7&cbir=sbi


Waterfront will be along Gordon Drive after that...
Terris
Board Meister
 
Posts: 596
Likes: 349 posts
Liked in: 348 posts
Joined: Apr 18th, 2014, 10:55 am

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby GordonH » Dec 27th, 2018, 7:39 pm

Terris wrote:It's just a matter of time before an earthquake brings the whole development mess here back down to reality...

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... 7&cbir=sbi


Waterfront will be along Gordon Drive after that...


I wouldn't be holding your breath on this happening anytime in the foreseeable future. lol
There are fault lines throughout BC, including up & down the middle of Okanagan lake.
When you have to start compromising yourself and your morals for the people around you, it’s probably time to change the people around you. John Spence
User avatar
GordonH
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 22977
Likes: 2778 posts
Liked in: 8720 posts
Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 7:21 pm
Location: Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby LTD » Dec 27th, 2018, 7:57 pm

Terris wrote:It's just a matter of time before an earthquake brings the whole development mess here back down to reality...

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... 7&cbir=sbi


Waterfront will be along Gordon Drive after that...

ya or maybe a giant meteor will take it all out the odds are about same
LTD
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4479
Likes: 3138 posts
Liked in: 3563 posts
Joined: Mar 31st, 2010, 3:34 pm

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Omnitheo » Dec 27th, 2018, 10:40 pm

There is a lot of high tech infrastructure here in the Okanagan precisely because of the stability of the region.
"The Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects all Canadians, every one of us, even when it is uncomfortable."
- Justin Trudeau

Grandan likes this post.
User avatar
Omnitheo
Guru
 
Posts: 5684
Likes: 8707 posts
Liked in: 4623 posts
Joined: Jul 19th, 2011, 10:10 am

Re: ...another reason skyrise buildings are not a great idea

Postby Terris » Dec 28th, 2018, 11:54 am

Omnitheo wrote:There is a lot of "high tech" infrastructure here in the Okanagan precisely because of the stability of the region.


I see...

The well known geologic stability of the Okanagan geology is the reason for all the "high tech" infrastructure in evidence throughout the valley?

Gosh... "High tech" people are so smart... :admin:


There is definitely a lot more evidence of seismic activity here than meteor strikes.

The Rose Valley, Knox Mt., Dilworth Mt. and Gallagher's canyon cliff features, are remnants of the caldera that surrounded the Mt. Boucherie volcano and are the surface evidence of the fault lines crossing the Kelowna Delta beneath us, which were active during the last ice age.

All the deposits on the bottom of Okanagan Lake are from the last ice age and before that Okanagan lake didn't exist.

That's not even a sparrows fart of geologic time.

Thank God the "high tech" industry has been keeping us all safe from the geologic processes which are, in no way possible, going to cause any problems for all the high rise development being built on "High tech" certified swamp land and earthquake fault lines.

Rest easy folks; "high tech" is keeping us safe.

During the next inevitable earthquake here simply go to the nearest "high tech" facility for safety...

:up:

The last seismic survey here was done in 1970. I imagine that the "high tech" industry was knee deep in all the knowledge of high rise developments back then already.

Thanks "high tech" infrastructure for keeping us all safe...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3891900215

http://www.waterbucket.ca/okw/sites/wbc ... ia/165.pdf

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/okanagan ... earthquake

http://www.earthquakescanada.nrcan.gc.c ... 126-en.php

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pa ... ion_detail

If you have an ArcGIS program on your computer you can extract even more detailed information of the potential for seismic devastation here in the valley.

Engineers are well aware of the subsurface geology here but are choosing to play the "let's-develop-the crap-outa-everything-before-we-die-as-long-as-developers-are-paying-our-bills" crapshoot version of sound "high tech" decision making.

May not happen in our life time but who knows what geologic event will be released with all the pile driving going on in order to put high rises on swamp land.

"High tech" engineers didn't take oil industry fracking into account either as a cause for seismic events either...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/frac ... -1.3030910
Terris
Board Meister
 
Posts: 596
Likes: 349 posts
Liked in: 348 posts
Joined: Apr 18th, 2014, 10:55 am

Previous

Return to Central Okanagan

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot] and 10 guests