The stats we DON'T hear about drug OD's....

The stats we DON'T hear about drug OD's....

Postby dle » Dec 31st, 2018, 9:57 am

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/245654 ... in-damaged

Dr. Adam Peets, a physician in the intensive care unit at St. Paul's Hospital, where Wilson was initially treated, said brain cells can be affected in as little as 30 seconds after someone overdoses and the level of damage can vary from mild to severe.

An estimated 25 to 33 per cent of patients are admitted to ICU because of complications from increasingly stronger drugs such as fentanyl and carfentanil but there is currently no way to adequately collect that information, Peets said.



We do hear most of the numbers involving the deaths caused by OD's but as Dr. Peet says what we don't hear is the statistical information on those who survive. Their heart is beating, they are breathing on their own so yes, they survived an OD, but the permanent damage can be a life-long sentence of hell.

Have any of you who have/had only a cigarette addiction tried to quit? I finally quit 21 years ago - very hard. It took me 5 goes and 2 years to finally cut ties with my smokes for good. I can't imagine trying to get off any kind of other drugs - that was bad enough! I do think there are some parallels though. The first couple of times I tried I didn't really want to quit - I really liked smoking - I just knew I should quit and the realization I was being as dumb as a bag of hammers over it didn't really matter until one time when I had bronchitis and still sat outside freezing in a snowstorm so I could have a smoke - seriously??! I began my search for my misplaced brains shortly after. I really didn't have a motivator to quit other than the cost was going up and the fear of dying of lung cancer but that seemed a long way off - I was young and takes about 20 years in most cases right - and surely I will have quit long before that? At least that's what I told myself. So easy to justify stupidity when you really want to do something you know you shouldn't! Those times I tried to just change the rules a bit - have my cake and eat it too. I told myself I could have a couple of smokes only when I was having a cocktail on the weekend. That way I cut way back on the smoking but was "allowed" to have a butt "sometimes". A great compromise! Riiiight. Soon I found "happy hour" was happening a couple times a week - just so I could justify having a smoke! I really didn't want to become a card-carrying alkie from trying to "quit" smoking either so I just started smoking again- that solved that problem . The next time I tried, I did it a little bit at a time - I stopped smoking first thing in the morning, then graduated to not smoking in my car etc. Little steps. Even that was super hard but after a while it was the norm. The hardest part is everything you do for the 1st time without a smoke (or your drug of choice I imagine) - ugh - but I did find it went easier just getting rid of a couple of those "1st's" one at a time rather than all of them just cold-turkey at once. The 2nd and 3rd times doing whatever it was were still not fun but doable and I did. But I still fell off the smoke wagon if I had a cocktail or a beer - which wasn't often so I found it curious why it would still trigger a craving. So the next time I quit I was starting to get really annoyed that I wasn't able to kick this thing's *bleep* - I mean who's in charge here? So I had another great plan...I would no longer drink my favourites - no cold beer out camping, no rum & cokes - they seemed to be triggers and they did not taste right unless I had a smoke. So I switched drinks! Brilliant! How could it not taste right without a smoke if I had never had one to begin with - I would not know the difference. So I switched to vodka (caesars) and wine (the ceasars I liked, the wine was a work in progress) - but they didn't make me crave a smoke. Progress! I went along that path for a few months but I still had times I wanted to smoke - I wasn't caving in but I really wanted to sometimes and it had nothing to do with having a cocktail.

Then, to get to the point of this post relating to the article, something happened that made quitting smoking a piece of cake for me, instantly. I read an article which included graphic photos of someone who got mouth cancer from smoking. It wasn't lung cancer. They didn't die. They lived. And they lived with the irreparable disfigurement caused by the surgeries and treatments. I sincerely hope none of you have had to go through anything remotely like that. I made myself read every word and look at the pictures. Brick upside head for me. You've probably seen some ads in more recent years on TV on this very subject. If you are still a smoker, you probably FF through them or look away. Don't. It's a gift to you because if you really pay attention you should have no trouble quitting after that - nothing a pack of Nicorettes won't get you through.


So, perhaps the ones addicted to street drugs would have their own epiphanies and find it easier (?) to quit for good if they were seeing and hearing these stats that Dr. Peet say are not being published in the fight against drugs. They just hear about the OD deaths. Well, once you are dead you are dead. It's hearing/seeing what you could have to live with that might make a difference - like the fellow in this Castanet article. At least that's what I found. Comparing a smoke addiction to other drug addiction might seem apples to oranges but maybe it will be the brick upside some peoples' heads - not all of course - but some. I mean the addicts do know they could die with every plunge of that needle but still do it - that doesn't scare them straight. They are living really undesireable lives that they think are normal - they have their circles of "friends", they are fed, clothed by society, given free drugs, have the paramedics/first responders saving (most of) them with Naloxone. No real reason to quit.

Dayton Wilson said in this article of the consequences of his addiction and OD
"I really like the person it's made me," he said of his ordeal. "I just don't like what it's done to me."
He's now sober and KNOWS what it is doing and has done - as opposed to living in lala-land with daily use.

I think who it might REALLY help is those who have NOT done any drugs yet - that knowledge could really sink in and refuse to be ignored and could be the thing that prevents them from doing a drug in the first place and I think that's the REAL solution.
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Re: The stats we DON'T hear about drug OD's....

Postby WalterWhite » Dec 31st, 2018, 10:11 am

dle wrote:https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/245654/OD-left-him-brain-damaged

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I think who it might REALLY help is those who have NOT done any drugs yet - that knowledge could really sink in and refuse to be ignored and could be the thing that prevents them from doing a drug in the first place and I think that's the REAL solution.


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Unfortunately no, the stories, pictures and videos etc. that "drugs are bad" is a mantra that has been touted for decades with little effect and is no different than the "don't touch the stove - it's hot" philosophy.
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Re: The stats we DON'T hear about drug OD's....

Postby MAPearce » Dec 31st, 2018, 10:17 am

well ...is the stove hot ??

How about the frying pan ?

I think who it might REALLY help is those who have NOT done any drugs yet - that knowledge could really sink in and refuse to be ignored and could be the thing that prevents them from doing a drug in the first place and I think that's the REAL solution.


After warning the girl child about the stove and frying pan , she understands that ole stepdad and mom might know a thing or two ..
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Re: The stats we DON'T hear about drug OD's....

Postby dle » Dec 31st, 2018, 10:24 am

WalterWhite wrote:
dle wrote:https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/245654/OD-left-him-brain-damaged

**snipped for brevity**

I think who it might REALLY help is those who have NOT done any drugs yet - that knowledge could really sink in and refuse to be ignored and could be the thing that prevents them from doing a drug in the first place and I think that's the REAL solution.


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Unfortunately no, the stories, pictures and videos etc. that "drugs are bad" is a mantra that has been touted for decades with little effect and is no different than the "don't touch the stove - it's hot" philosophy.



When I started smoking there was nothing to discourage it - seemed everyone smoked - heck I remember smoking IN the doctor's office with him across the desk doing the same thing!

This little cartoon type warning that you posted would do nothing to deter me either - but the real-life stories and pictures, like the one I read, DEFINITELY was the catalyst that stopped me smoking after 20 years of a pack a day so MAYBE the real-life stories will help others too.

I really think they need to publish the stats and real life stories of those who have been through it and come out the other side and where their lives are now - good or bad. Reality can be a good reminder.
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Re: The stats we DON'T hear about drug OD's....

Postby WalterWhite » Dec 31st, 2018, 10:36 am

WalterWhite wrote:
dle wrote:https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/245654/OD-left-him-brain-damaged

**snipped for brevity**

I think who it might REALLY help is those who have NOT done any drugs yet - that knowledge could really sink in and refuse to be ignored and could be the thing that prevents them from doing a drug in the first place and I think that's the REAL solution.


243396cb194836ef1fe71ea8aaa8-the-line-drugs-are-bad-mkay-from-south-parks-mr-mackey-was-referenced-by-a-judge-in-a-marijua.jpg


Unfortunately no, the stories, pictures and videos etc. that "drugs are bad" is a mantra that has been touted for decades with little effect and is no different than the "don't touch the stove - it's hot" philosophy.



dle wrote:When I started smoking there was nothing to discourage it - seemed everyone smoked - heck I remember smoking IN the doctor's office with him across the desk doing the same thing!

This little cartoon type warning that you posted would do nothing to deter me either - but the real-life stories and pictures, like the one I read, DEFINITELY was the catalyst that stopped me smoking after 20 years of a pack a day so MAYBE the real-life stories will help others too.

I really think they need to publish the stats and real life stories of those who have been through it and come out the other side and where their lives are now - good or bad. Reality can be a good reminder.


Okay, so Southpark cartoons aside, cigarette packs have had increasingly blatantly obvious warnings for years - yet millions still enjoy them everyday.

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Adam and Eve (if you believe in that sort of thing) even had direct warnings from god of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" and it's "forbidden fruit", and well, we all know how that story went...
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Postby MAPearce » Dec 31st, 2018, 10:50 am

Okay, so Southpark cartoons aside, cigarette packs have had increasingly blatantly obvious warnings for years - yet millions still enjoy them everyday.


Wally , WADR.. It's too late for smoking. The industry is too powerful and the govt won't admit that they allowed such a vile "habit" to go on for so long while letting it be legal , they'd get sued up the wazoo..

I tell me kiddos that it's just plain bad and so does mom . I tell them that the best thing they can do is NOT start..

Same with drugs , smoking and touching hot things like the stove and the frying pan with bare hands after they've been used are BAD , M'kay? ..

It's working ..

But , here's what rubs me the wrong way ..

Since Fentanil , et al , we've come up with a way to save those people .. It's called Narcan in the EMS world ( naloxone to the rest of us) and it is more than apparent that those who use drugs have become "comfortable" with the fact that IF ( when) they overdose , someone or thing will be there to save them so they can continue on doing what they do without the fear of the repercussions ... They don't fear the consequence of getting burned because , unlike a second degree burn , a drug overdose is seemingly reversible .

Perhaps , we've exacerbated the problem by being to kind ???

I'd think so .
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Postby RVThereYet » Dec 31st, 2018, 11:48 am

MAPearce wrote:
Okay, so Southpark cartoons aside, cigarette packs have had increasingly blatantly obvious warnings for years - yet millions still enjoy them everyday.


Wally , WADR.. It's too late for smoking. The industry is too powerful and the govt won't admit that they allowed such a vile "habit" to go on for so long while letting it be legal , they'd get sued up the wazoo..

I tell me kiddos that it's just plain bad and so does mom . I tell them that the best thing they can do is NOT start..

Same with drugs , smoking and touching hot things like the stove and the frying pan with bare hands after they've been used are BAD , M'kay? ..

It's working ..

But , here's what rubs me the wrong way ..

Since Fentanil , et al , we've come up with a way to save those people .. It's called Narcan in the EMS world ( naloxone to the rest of us) and it is more than apparent that those who use drugs have become "comfortable" with the fact that IF ( when) they overdose , someone or thing will be there to save them so they can continue on doing what they do without the fear of the repercussions ... They don't fear the consequence of getting burned because , unlike a second degree burn , a drug overdose is seemingly reversible .

Perhaps , we've exacerbated the problem by being to kind ???

I'd think so .


But only if that someone happens to find them before its too late. If the whole Narcan thing was 100% fool-proof we wouldn't have any OD deaths now, would we. Yet addicted people still do drugs, knowing they may not be found in time and can die if something was to go wrong for them...
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Postby Queen K » Dec 31st, 2018, 11:56 am

Living as a vegetable proves there are a lot worse things than being found dead. Dead is dead. A living-death is horrible.

I just tried to find BC death rates from ALL sources and could not get past the millions of articles about BC death rates from Ods alone.
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Postby WalterWhite » Dec 31st, 2018, 12:22 pm

- and that’s the whole point of my reply to the OP’s original question. There are those that have the will power, stamina and plain common sense to beat their addiction no matter what it is, be at smoking, alcohol or the hard-core drugs that are literally taking lives every day - some people simply either have that ability and others do not. No amount of statistics,offensive photos, long drawn out talks or plain hard cold evidence is enough to sway some whose ability to resist the temptation of their vices ultimately leading to their deaths, is strong enough to make some quit - let alone start in the first place. Some people seem to just be pre-wired with “yea, but it won’t happen to me”.
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Postby WalterWhite » Dec 31st, 2018, 12:29 pm

Queen K wrote:Living as a vegetable proves there are a lot worse things than being found dead. Dead is dead. A living-death is horrible.

I just tried to find BC death rates from ALL sources and could not get past the millions of articles about BC death rates from Ods alone.



This is from 2015. Oddly, OD's are not noted. Causes of death starts on page 33:

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ETA: accidental poisoning/drug exposure deaths noted in appendix page 124
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Yet addicted people still do drugs, knowing they may not be found in time and can die if something was to go wrong for them..


I'll just offer you a piece of conversation my BCAS dispatch sister had with my KGH wife two summers ago while we were on vacation on the south Island..

Wife .. "Must be just as hard , if not harder to do your job as it is mine with all this Fentanyl garbage on the streets huh "??

Sister.."You have NO idea ,now the addicts call us before they shoot up and ask me to send a car with a narcan kit before they do ...Like we''re a delivery service .. I tell them DON'T do it , they tell me that they don't need a lecture just the narcan..They get *bleep* when I say that's not what 911 dispatch is for and they hang up "

Wife .."are you kidding me "?

Sister " nope"...

So , are we making it easier for people to risk their lives ???
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Postby WalterWhite » Dec 31st, 2018, 4:30 pm

^^ That's not the first time I've heard of that scenario...
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Postby the truth » Dec 31st, 2018, 4:35 pm

MAPearce wrote:
Yet addicted people still do drugs, knowing they may not be found in time and can die if something was to go wrong for them..


I'll just offer you a piece of conversation my BCAS dispatch sister had with my KGH wife two summers ago while we were on vacation on the south Island..

Wife .. "Must be just as hard , if not harder to do your job as it is mine with all this Fentanyl garbage on the streets huh "??

Sister.."You have NO idea ,now the addicts call us before they shoot up and ask me to send a car with a narcan kit before they do ...Like we''re a delivery service .. I tell them DON'T do it , they tell me that they don't need a lecture just the narcan..They get *bleep* when I say that's not what 911 dispatch is for and they hang up "

Wife .."are you kidding me "?

Sister " nope"...

So , are we making it easier for people to risk their lives ???


these people are u fen believable, :200: :cuss:
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the truth wrote:
these people are u r en beleveable, :200: :cuss:


Huh?
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RVThereYet wrote:
the truth wrote:
these people are u r en beleveable, :200: :cuss:


Huh?


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