Ontario firm to haul local waste

Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby 69cutlass » Jan 9th, 2019, 1:21 pm

With the amount they underbid (rumour is it was fairly substantial) you can bet the employees will be seeing a massive pay cut and us as customers will see a drastic decrease in good service. Ever hear the saying you get what you pay for. Choosing the lowest bidder is almost never a good thing. They need to cut corners to complete it.

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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby WalterWhite » Jan 9th, 2019, 1:30 pm

Ultimately time will tell. It won’t surprise me one bit to see drastic decrease in services based on the rumoured low bid proposal accepted, but let’s remember who will be at fault here. It’s not the one providing the services, or lack thereof - it’s the ones that accepted their bid. Unfortunately in the end, Joe Taxpayer is the one footing the bill for a decrease in services.
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby pieinthei » Jan 9th, 2019, 1:33 pm

69cutlass wrote:With the amount they underbid (rumour is it was fairly substantial) you can bet the employees will be seeing a massive pay cut and us as customers will see a drastic decrease in good service. Ever hear the saying you get what you pay for. Choosing the lowest bidder is almost never a good thing. They need to cut corners to complete it.


i'd like to think that there are "service clauses" in this contract .. i was once a dispatcher for a waste company, and yes, there was constant contact with municipalities being serviced.. complaints being fixed etc..

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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby Tony » Jan 9th, 2019, 5:36 pm

69cutlass wrote:With the amount they underbid (rumour is it was fairly substantial) you can bet the employees will be seeing a massive pay cut and us as customers will see a drastic decrease in good service. Ever hear the saying you get what you pay for. Choosing the lowest bidder is almost never a good thing. They need to cut corners to complete it.


After reading the article, there is no where in there that says they are cutting wages for the drivers. They are using NG vehicles which is better for the environment and cheaper to run, with less maintenance, and maybe the top is cutting their wages in order to get into BC. That is entirely possible.

They are extending the yard waste pick up by a month.

I'm not seeing a lot of bad here. Somebody mentioned BC license plates... they'd have to have them. You can't drive forever on out of Province plates, ESPECIALLY for a commercial venture as this.

In the South Okanagan Argo just lost the road maintenance contract to a company from Sweden or somewhere like that. A friend of mine works for Argo... this will be the 4th time they've had a change. Hasn't make a bit of difference to him. I think the same will apply to this change.

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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby 69cutlass » Jan 9th, 2019, 5:43 pm

Their companies starting wage vs the current companies starting. It's a big difference. Not to mention the cut the drivers will take that have been there for years and earned raises and vacation days. All that is gone. I know a few who have worked there and still do. It is not good for them.

And someone menoned saving tax dollars. Well if thats true shouldnt our taxes go down since the city is gonna be saving so much with this new company... Oh wait we are gettimg another tax increase this year....

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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby Symbonite » Jan 9th, 2019, 8:49 pm

Tony wrote:In the South Okanagan Argo just lost the road maintenance contract to a company from Sweden or somewhere like that.


Multi-National Spanish Company. I think their name is ACCIONA Infrastucture. anyways off topic..supposedly way better and no nonesense company...so if its like that from the Ontario company..then great...I mean we only see this service once a week...as long its done before 3pm that day then great!
**Disclaimer: The above statement is in my OPINION only.

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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 9th, 2019, 8:51 pm

69cutlass wrote:There goes the halfway decent paying jobs that waste management provided. I have known a few who work there and they make decent money. Starting wage I hear for the new company is less than what they started at 8 years ago.


I'd like to see more data on this.

Those garbage jobs were decent middle class paying gigs, but they certainly earned it. GPS monitoring and optimized routes don't allow drivers a spare second of time.

Race to the bottom!

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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby KiloHotel » Jan 9th, 2019, 10:37 pm

WalterWhite wrote:That would certainly explain the apparent lack of maintenance on current refuse trucks. I don’t think a few of them would pass emissions testing from what I’ve seen.

I agree, a further reduction in recycling programs will be a huge step backwards, but certainly no surprise given the lack of effectiveness of the current one. Maybe they’ll actually help introduce some of the programs in place in Ontario.




We don't do emissions testing here in the valley.. thankfully. Making small outfits buy a fleet of new trucks every 2 years isn't really beneficial to the local economy, nore is hiring a non local company over a local one that has provided good service for years.
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby GordonH » Jan 9th, 2019, 10:58 pm

WalterWhite wrote:That would certainly explain the apparent lack of maintenance on current refuse trucks. I don’t think a few of them would pass emissions testing from what I’ve seen.

I agree, a further reduction in recycling programs will be a huge step backwards, but certainly no surprise given the lack of effectiveness of the current one. Maybe they’ll actually help introduce some of the programs in place in Ontario.

KiloHotel wrote:We don't do emissions testing here in the valley.. thankfully. Making small outfits buy a fleet of new trucks every 2 years isn't really beneficial to the local economy, nore is hiring a non local company over a local one that has provided good service for years.


It's all about winning the bid.
This situation is no different then a European company getting highway maintenance.
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby Tony » Jan 10th, 2019, 3:00 pm

69cutlass wrote:Their companies starting wage vs the current companies starting. It's a big difference. Not to mention the cut the drivers will take that have been there for years and earned raises and vacation days. All that is gone. I know a few who have worked there and still do. It is not good for them.

And someone menoned saving tax dollars. Well if thats true shouldnt our taxes go down since the city is gonna be saving so much with this new company... Oh wait we are gettimg another tax increase this year....


Do you have a link to the wages they are paying or anything to substantiate this claim?
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby 69cutlass » Jan 10th, 2019, 4:07 pm

I'm basing in on the fact that starting wage for the current company was 24-25$/hr and employees that have been there for several years are close to 30$/hr. The hearsay of the new company is that it's gonna start at 18-20$ that is a big pay cut for any and all current employees.
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby Catri » Jan 10th, 2019, 6:06 pm

69cutlass wrote:I'm basing in on the fact that starting wage for the current company was 24-25$/hr and employees that have been there for several years are close to 30$/hr. The hearsay of the new company is that it's gonna start at 18-20$ that is a big pay cut for any and all current employees.

Interesting. I don't know if it was the same contractor, but in the years leading up to the changeover to the wheelie bins, they were having a hard time getting and keeping enough staff because their starting wage was just a few dollars over minimum wage, which was, I believe, about $8/hr at the time. I remember that time distinctly because I had to call several times a year to get them to come back and pickup when they missed my street and/or the street my rental property was on at the time. Several of those conversations included the contractor explaining to me their personnel difficulties as an excuse for the *bleep* service and me thinking that they wouldn't have those problems if they'd pay a decent wage. I believe that was part (though certainly not all) of what brought about the change to the hands off bin system.
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby dirtybiker » Jan 10th, 2019, 6:36 pm

69cutlass wrote:I'm basing in on the fact that starting wage for the current company was 24-25$/hr and employees that have been there for several years are close to 30$/hr. The hearsay of the new company is that it's gonna start at 18-20$ that is a big pay cut for any and all current employees.


Huh, if those numbers are even close, that is a far cry of when in
the not too distant past. Compactor (garbage) truck driver was about
the lowest pay grade of all driver positions.
About the same as a parts runner.

With benefits though, a plus.....Oh and a camera stuffed in your face all shift....

I suspect little will change. The name on the side.
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Re: Ontario firm to haul local waste

Postby soupy » Jan 10th, 2019, 6:44 pm

Catri wrote:
69cutlass wrote:I'm basing in on the fact that starting wage for the current company was 24-25$/hr and employees that have been there for several years are close to 30$/hr. The hearsay of the new company is that it's gonna start at 18-20$ that is a big pay cut for any and all current employees.

Interesting. I don't know if it was the same contractor, but in the years leading up to the changeover to the wheelie bins, they were having a hard time getting and keeping enough staff because their starting wage was just a few dollars over minimum wage, which was, I believe, about $8/hr at the time. I remember that time distinctly because I had to call several times a year to get them to come back and pickup when they missed my street and/or the street my rental property was on at the time. Several of those conversations included the contractor explaining to me their personnel difficulties as an excuse for the *bleep* service and me thinking that they wouldn't have those problems if they'd pay a decent wage. I believe that was part (though certainly not all) of what brought about the change to the hands off bin system.


I believe the biggest factor in the change was automation to reduce the amount of injuries that occurred during manual lifting / moving of bins.
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