Business robberies.....

Re: Business robberies.....

Postby OKkayak » Jan 9th, 2019, 1:37 pm

Fancy wrote:Some stores that would like to offer extended hours but are concerned about the criminal element or single staff member have no problem using a buzz system. If the customer is interested in the product, they will come.

So, which large retail companies require you to buzz in after looking into a camera? i.e: BestBuy, Walmart, 7-11, Safeway?
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby the truth » Jan 9th, 2019, 1:47 pm

gman313 wrote:I would suggest pawn shops have come a long way. ID is required before you can sell everything. I have been impressed with changes in the last decade or so with these shops. I don't think they are the dumping ground for stolen goods they used to be....that's what Craigslist is for



they still are a dumping ground for stolen goods ,if you do not think so you are clueless
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby normaM » Jan 9th, 2019, 2:01 pm

I don't have a problem with the buzzer system. I saw a sign that before being buzzed in you have to remove your Sunglasses ( Coopers Jewellers I think)
Problem with the cameras most of the stores is the terrible quality of the images, surely that can be corrected.
When I lived in the US places wouldn't allow you in with a hoodie
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby Fancy » Jan 9th, 2019, 2:03 pm

dle wrote:Remember back in the day when the sign on the door would say "no shirt, no shoes, no service"......if ONLY that was all we had to worry about now! It would be a pretty big sign now....let's see: "hoodies up, ball caps pulled low, sunglasses on, balaclavas or other masks on, avoiding the camera, drunken, stoned or aggressive behaviour, etc etc etc no shirt, no shoes, no service"

Buzzer system for open hours, with unbreakable glass/and or bars for closed hours seems the easiest & safest way to go by far!

Security guards will only call the cops (who will take their sweet time if they do come) when a break-in happens. The break-in still happens. Buzzer system, unbreakable glass, metal bars at night stops the break-in/vandalism from happening.


I still see those signs "No shirt, no shoes, no service". No point in saying no disguise as that is (or should be) understood. I lock doors when I'm alone and in a couple of shops I would also have the door locked until a customer came knocking. A buzzer system is a lot better.
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby Fancy » Jan 9th, 2019, 2:08 pm

normaM wrote:I don't have a problem with the buzzer system. I saw a sign that before being buzzed in you have to remove your Sunglasses ( Coopers Jewellers I think)
Problem with the cameras most of the stores is the terrible quality of the images, surely that can be corrected.
When I lived in the US places wouldn't allow you in with a hoodie

The doorbell security systems I've seen has good images. I guess you get what you pay for. As far as the sunglasses are concerned, I'm not sure if the high tech Vaunt system is available in sunglasses or not but that is something that will be considered down the road I'm sure.
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby soupy » Jan 9th, 2019, 2:27 pm

I wouldnt mind to see small time thiefs have their fingers broken.

Would teach a much better lesson then set free on a promise to appear 3 months down the road.

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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby pieinthei » Jan 9th, 2019, 3:12 pm

soupy wrote:I wouldnt mind to see small time thiefs have their fingers broken.

Would teach a much better lesson then set free on a promise to appear 3 months down the road.


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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby the truth » Jan 9th, 2019, 3:40 pm

soupy wrote:I wouldnt mind to see small time thiefs have their fingers broken.

Would teach a much better lesson then set free on a promise to appear 3 months down the road.


while they are still committing crime waiting for there court date
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby normaM » Jan 9th, 2019, 4:57 pm

Places at Mission Park were broken into recently - cost the Nail place more to replace the door than what they stole. Maybe they were hoping to get into the jewellery store there ( it has security bar grills windows and doors.
Owner said the door ( replaced on a Sunday) was over $600.
I know she isn't rolling in money, shame
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby dle » Jan 9th, 2019, 6:01 pm

OKkayak wrote:
dle wrote:

Anyone who objects is free to shop elsewhere.....

Thats kinda the point. How long do you expect to stay in business when people start shopping elsewhere.


Legitimate customers will not shop elsewhere because they have to use a buzzer to get in - I certainly wouldn't if I was the customer. If you would, that's your choice. Very few, if any, customers would be lost. The only ones that would be uncomfortable with the idea are the ones with intentions other than shopping.

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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby WalterWhite » Jan 9th, 2019, 7:09 pm

normaM wrote:Places at Mission Park were broken into recently - cost the Nail place more to replace the door than what they stole. Maybe they were hoping to get into the jewellery store there ( it has security bar grills windows and doors.
Owner said the door ( replaced on a Sunday) was over $600.
I know she isn't rolling in money, shame


- and yet some here will simply shrug their shoulders and say, "that's what insurance is for". Unfortunately many businesses struggle to even be able to afford paying the deductible, which is often more than the cost of damages, let alone several times a year at some businesses.
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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Jan 9th, 2019, 7:32 pm

OKkayak wrote:
dle wrote:


There are business offices in the Lawrence/Leon area that have buzzers or security codes to use the elevators and/or to gain entry....it's not just for retail stores.....again, it's a safety issue as well as a theft prevention issue....

Business offices don't rely on people walking in and out on a daily basis in hopes to purchase a product.


No and what they don't want is people walking in off the street that don't belong there.
If you see them and confront them, they are looking for Jimmy..
If you don't get a chance to chat, its because they grabbed a purse or wallet, or more than one, and are out within 2 minutes.

And that has happened many many times...
But if you are not security conscious, keep on doing what you are doing..
I'd like to help You OUT,
Which way did You come in??

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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby dle » Jan 10th, 2019, 6:35 am

60YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:


No and what they don't want is people walking in off the street that don't belong there.
If you see them and confront them, they are looking for Jimmy..
If you don't get a chance to chat, its because they grabbed a purse or wallet, or more than one, and are out within 2 minutes.

And that has happened many many times...
But if you are not security conscious, keep on doing what you are doing..


Excellent post and I've known people in offices (receptionists & secretaries near front entrances) who have had their purses stolen in exactly that manner. This is a good time to remind them to put their purses inside a file cabinet or drawer - DO NOT leave them anywhere visible around your desk (floor, or open shelf). This has happened so many times that I'm sure everyone in the business community knows to put their purses in a hidden spot but just in case they aren't, they should. The thieves wander in asking to use the washroom and/or looking for someone who is supposedly to work in that building, or asking directions etc all the while quickly looking for a purse or laptop bag or? Then they come back later and one distracts the office person while one grabs and goes out the door - often the theft isn't noticed until lunch or after work for instance when someone notices their purse is gone - and so are the thieves long gone.

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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby OKkayak » Jan 10th, 2019, 11:04 am

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote: No and what they don't want is people walking in off the street that don't belong there.
If you see them and confront them, they are looking for Jimmy..
If you don't get a chance to chat, its because they grabbed a purse or wallet, or more than one, and are out within 2 minutes.

And that has happened many many times...
But if you are not security conscious, keep on doing what you are doing..

Again, a business office doesn't rely on people walking in off the street to browse around and hopefully make a purchase. Apples to oranges.

Still waiting for that list of all these large retailers that require their customers to be buzzed in after looking in a camera.

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Re: Business robberies.....

Postby Fancy » Jan 10th, 2019, 11:33 am

dle wrote:Excellent post and I've known people in offices (receptionists & secretaries near front entrances) who have had their purses stolen in exactly that manner. This is a good time to remind them to put their purses inside a file cabinet or drawer - DO NOT leave them anywhere visible around your desk (floor, or open shelf). This has happened so many times that I'm sure everyone in the business community knows to put their purses in a hidden spot but just in case they aren't, they should. The thieves wander in asking to use the washroom and/or looking for someone who is supposedly to work in that building, or asking directions etc all the while quickly looking for a purse or laptop bag or? Then they come back later and one distracts the office person while one grabs and goes out the door - often the theft isn't noticed until lunch or after work for instance when someone notices their purse is gone - and so are the thieves long gone.

Seen this so many times. I've had a woman (I assume drug addict) look over my desk and case out the place when I went to get her a glass of water. My purse was in a drawer. Her excuse for getting caught was she was making sure there wasn't another person in the office that should have received attention first. She was distracting but I wasn't distracted. Her and a few others were the reason I would have gone to a buzzer if I had a choice. Businessmen have had wallets snuck out of jackets and all sorts of other thefts. Hate having my place of business or home cased and the point is to make it difficult so the thieves don't come back. Businesses rely on their clientele and monies do cross the desk.
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