Police at Orchard Park

Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 28th, 2019, 10:41 am

Fancy wrote:There aren't pedestrians to watch out for on the bridge.


Speeding is speeding and a car is a weapon.

Get out the assault rifles.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby WalterWhite » Jan 28th, 2019, 10:52 am

Vacancyrate wrote:
Fancy wrote:There aren't pedestrians to watch out for on the bridge.


Speeding is speeding and a car is a weapon.

Get out the assault rifles.


What d’ya know - a troll lives under our bridge.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 28th, 2019, 11:35 am

Fancy wrote:There aren't pedestrians to watch out for on the bridge.


Speeding is speeding and a car is a weapon.

Vacancyrate wrote:Get out the assault rifles.


WalterWhite wrote:What d’ya know - a troll lives under our bridge.


Don't get it wet or feed it after midnight. :135:
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby kumazatheef » Jan 29th, 2019, 5:16 pm

Over 20 pages of "shoulda woulda coulda" speculation of a situation based on handful or poorly researched and poorly written news articles ...
Anyone actually have knowledge of the situation, or just spouting off on theories?
We'll see if he makes it out alive without brain damage.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 29th, 2019, 5:23 pm

kumazatheef wrote:Over 20 pages of "shoulda woulda coulda" speculation of a situation based on handful or poorly researched and poorly written news articles ...
Anyone actually have knowledge of the situation, or just spouting off on theories?
We'll see if he makes it out alive without brain damage.


He went in brain damaged, why should he come out, all better?
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby kumazatheef » Jan 29th, 2019, 5:55 pm

kumazatheef wrote:Anyone actually have knowledge of the situation, or just spouting off on theories?

alanjh595 wrote:He went in brain damaged, why should he come out, all better?


... I'll take that as a "no" ...
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby atenbacon » Jan 29th, 2019, 6:39 pm

kumazatheef wrote:Anyone actually have knowledge of the situation, or just spouting off on theories?



Theories, that's it. I think Vacancyrate and his fellow criminal lovers got their theories, as usual... really, really, really wrong. I'd say, based on the news, some on here had pretty good theories based on the "innocence" of the person that was shot, but you be the judge on that subject.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... identified
https://globalnews.ca/news/4881235/shoo ... n-kelowna/
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby kumazatheef » Jan 29th, 2019, 9:08 pm

atenbacon wrote:
kumazatheef wrote:Anyone actually have knowledge of the situation, or just spouting off on theories?



Theories, that's it. I think Vacancyrate and his fellow criminal lovers got their theories, as usual... really, really, really wrong. I'd say, based on the news, some on here had pretty good theories based on the "innocence" of the person that was shot, but you be the judge on that subject.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... identified
https://globalnews.ca/news/4881235/shoo ... n-kelowna/


Oh, the dude is a full-on bad guy ... quick Google News search of his name shows how far back he's been in the news for bad stuff, like, going back several years.
Reading news articles and how far off the mark they are is confusing.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 29th, 2019, 10:29 pm

kumazatheef wrote:Anyone actually have knowledge of the situation, or just spouting off on theories?


On Tuesday the man allegedly road raged somewhere and shot off a can of pepper spray.

On Wednesday the police/ERT shot the man infront of CIBC while he was sitting in a vehicle parked out front.

The man is not charged with any firearms offences, just prohibited weapons (pepper spray?) and there have been no reports of any gunfire or direct threats to the police or public. The charges all seem to stem from the road rage incident and from the (attempted?) theft of a car in front of CIBC.

The Independent Investigation office is investigating and has asked for the publics help and eyewitnesses to come forward.

There is a lot of talk about "...a weapon is a car" but that's mostly from people who watch too much TV because the RCMP don't engage in high speed chases and they certainly don't shoot at speeders.

The shot's also came from the side of the vehicle (pictures on Castanet show holes in drivers side door and drivers window shot out) so the shooter obviously wasn't in front of the vehicle.

We have no reports or information as to what happened, why the man was shot or why the police waited until the next day and took him down in a highly public place over a road rage incident when they were obviously expecting trouble.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Fancy » Jan 29th, 2019, 10:43 pm

Vacancyrate wrote:There is a lot of talk about "...a weapon is a car" but that's mostly from people who watch too much TV because the RCMP don't engage in high speed chases and they certainly don't shoot at speeders.
I did post a link regarding the criminal involved in the Westside Road high speed chase and shootout.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 29th, 2019, 11:22 pm

Fancy wrote:I did post a link regarding the criminal involved in the Westside Road high speed chase and shootout.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/law-c ... endum2.pdf

3(1) To engage in or continue a pursuit, a peace officer must

(a) have an emergency light and siren activated, and

(b) have reasonable grounds to believe that

(i) the driver or a passenger in the vehicle being or to be pursued has committed,
is committing or is about to commit an offence, and

(ii) the seriousness of the offence and the need for immediate apprehension
outweigh the risk to the safety of members of the public that may be created by
the pursuit.


(2) In considering whether there are reasonable grounds under subsection (1) (b), the driver of
the emergency vehicle must consider any pertinent factors, including the following, if relevant:

(a) the nature and circumstances of the suspected offence or incident;

(b) the risk of harm posed by the manner in which the emergency vehicle is being or is
likely to be operated;

(c) the risk of harm posed by the distance, speed or length of time required or likely to
be required to exercise the privileges;

(d) the nature, condition and use of the highway;

(e) the volume and nature of pedestrian or vehicular traffic that is, or might reasonably
be expected to be, in the area.


(3) For the purposes of subsection (1) (b),

(a) the need for immediate apprehension will be low if

(i) the driver or a passenger in the vehicle pursued has not committed an
indictable offence, or

(ii) identification or apprehension of the suspected offender may be achieved by
other means at that or a later time,


(b) the greater the distance, speed or length of time required or likely to be required for
the pursuit, the greater the risk to the safety of members of the public, and

(c) an attempt to evade apprehension is not a factor to be considered in determining the
seriousness of the offence or the need for immediate apprehension
.



It's a little more complicated than just saying "a car is a weapon" and this certainly doesn't address whether or not to shoot at a fleeing vehicle.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Fancy » Jan 29th, 2019, 11:43 pm

I'm not sure what your post had to do with mine.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 29th, 2019, 11:47 pm

Fancy wrote:I'm not sure what your post had to do with mine.


The people shot at the police and Westside road is pretty rural.

Criteria for a high speed chase was met.

Many times they are not.
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby kumazatheef » Jan 29th, 2019, 11:47 pm

Vacancyrate wrote:We have no reports or information as to what happened, why the man was shot or why the police waited until the next day and took him down in a highly public place over a road rage incident when they were obviously expecting trouble.


He had a very long rap-sheet ... he didn't want to be arrest (shocking!) when they tried to arrest him ... they were looking for the right time to move in when all hell broke loose and things escalated at which time they had to move in to protect the public ...

There's a lot we don't know, nor understand ... and I'm guessing if the professionals explained it, there's a lot that would still disagree and refuse the evidence ...
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Re: Police at Orchard Park

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 29th, 2019, 11:54 pm

kumazatheef wrote:He had a very long rap-sheet ... he didn't want to be arrest (shocking!) when they tried to arrest him ... they were looking for the right time to move in


Wait a minute - the police knew this guy had a lot of offenses and they knew he was going to resist...so they decided to not take him down in his driveway or on his street after waiting a full day ...but in front of a bank in a shopping mall parking lot on one of the busiest intersections in Kelowna that is across the street from a playground and a bus terminal full of pedestrians?

...and you wonder why people are asking questions?

when all hell broke loose and things escalated at which time they had to move in to protect the public


Who said anything about all hell breaking lose? Not the media, not the police and no eyewitnesses.

The man was shot and we have no idea why.

There's a lot we don't know, nor understand ... and I'm guessing if the professionals explained it, there's a lot that would still disagree and refuse the evidence ...


The public is totally in the dark it's true, but the ERT shot and killed a man in the back in the Slocan valley and the police were cleared of any wrongdoing so just because the police are cleared doesn't necessarily make it so.
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