Encampment frustrates local landowner

Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 29th, 2019, 12:05 pm

youjustcomplain wrote:
wanderer wrote:Maybe the City should put "homeless camp cleanup" in their budget. They should not be penalizing the landowner through bylaw enforcement.


Absolutely agree there. Bylaws should be working with the property owner to solve the problem. Fining the property owner does not solve a problem so it should not be an option.

I suspect the fine came from a complaint, which is mostly how bylaws get involved in the first place.


I will bet that at least one of those tickets was generated by the landowner's own actions.
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby pieinthei » Jan 29th, 2019, 12:06 pm

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dogspoiler wrote:From the looks of what was left laying around, some charges of stolen goods would be likely.


Charging whom? The landowner?...After all it was found on his property. A transient? ....What address are they going serve the search warrant on and what name are they going to put on that warrant? After all, they had just arrived there and would be moving on the very next day.

Would that be a charge of; Possession of Stolen Property, or Theft under $5,000?
What are either of those "charges" have of succeeding in court?


exactly.. again, for the average Joe, we would be charged. but for the almighty junkie, its catch and release (if they bother catching)
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby WalterWhite » Jan 29th, 2019, 12:19 pm

Trent - open up a live-target paintball course on the property...
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby OKkayak » Jan 29th, 2019, 12:29 pm

Fancy wrote:Put a big fence up with "No Trespassing" signs.

And the homeless will pay for it! :biggrin:

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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby dogspoiler » Jan 29th, 2019, 1:05 pm

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Charging whom? The landowner?...After all it was found on his property. A transient? ....What address are they going serve the search warrant on and what name are they going to put on that warrant? After all, they had just arrived there and would be moving on the very next day.

Would that be a charge of; Possession of Stolen Property, or Theft under $5,000?
What are either of those "charges" have of succeeding in court?

And there you have it folks, the reason that we are being overun with criminal scumbags. It's easier to let them break the laws and do what they want than to deal with them.
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 29th, 2019, 1:18 pm

dogspoiler wrote:
alanjh595 wrote:
Charging whom? The landowner?...After all it was found on his property. A transient? ....What address are they going serve the search warrant on and what name are they going to put on that warrant? After all, they had just arrived there and would be moving on the very next day.

Would that be a charge of; Possession of Stolen Property, or Theft under $5,000?
What are either of those "charges" have of succeeding in court?

And there you have it folks, the reason that we are being overun with criminal scumbags. It's easier to let them break the laws and do what they want than to deal with them.


I agree, wholeheartedly.

It's more cost effective in the long run to allow this kind of behaviour, than it is to over-run the court system (very expensive) with arrest, process, house, feed, and pay duty council, than it is to just "take the hit", and turn the other cheek.
It's not only "easier", but it is more "cost effective". SAD, but still true.
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby dle » Jan 29th, 2019, 1:23 pm

twofingers wrote:The camp has been there for years. When we, as neighbours in the Industrial Park, got tired of the nightly property damage, pilfering, and theft, we complained to CofK bylaws officers. We were told in 2016 that their hands were tied because the property owners were allowing the ‘campers’ to stay there. So much fun having to buy a new batch of propane tanks every two weeks! Wonder where the real truth lies.



I think the real truth often lies somewhere in the middle.....maybe he DID allow just a few at one point and they told the streets and it turned into a homeless camp in short order and now he regrets helping and can't get rid of them. Just a guess....

In any event, they are trespassing so he should be able to call the cops and have them arrested off his property, and in no way should he have to pay a fine if he has been approaching the authorities to remove the trespassers properly. The minute he sees them back again he needs to call again and become a real thorn in their sides. Sorry, not sorry, but a sprinkler system is as good a deterrent as any (and more harmless than some) and it's his property to do what he wants within his zoning. He should NOT be expected to allow them to squat on his property! He pays his taxes.

He should NOT be expected to give his land to the trespassers.

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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby soupy » Jan 29th, 2019, 1:54 pm

OKkayak wrote:
Fancy wrote:Put a big fence up with "No Trespassing" signs.

And the homeless will pay for it! :biggrin:


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This one actually made me LOL okkayak
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby W105 » Jan 29th, 2019, 3:05 pm

creds to Old Kelowna for this pic..(which is really cool, and it's amazing to see what City Park looked like back then) 1904 Kelowna City park was invaded by squatters living in tents...the new Landowner tore them down ...seems this problem is a 100+ yrs old...


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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 29th, 2019, 4:06 pm

Fancy wrote:Put a big fence up with "No Trespassing" signs.

OKkayak wrote:And the homeless will pay for it! :biggrin:


soupy wrote: :spitcoffee:
This one actually made me LOL okkayak


It worked for Pres. Trump........Re: Big fence....and ......Mexico will pay for it. :smt045
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby Mark1111 » Jan 29th, 2019, 8:18 pm

You know we live in a world where tech is changing everything and doing it faster daily than we ever realize possible. Robotics on assembly lines are being refined to perform better and faster with each new software release. Automated warehousing is replacing middle class working folks while I type this response. In every industry I see ( and am somewhat responsible for as some of you are) efficiencies in processes that displace more and more people. We see 40 and 50 year old people, in what was thought to be stable safe life long careers, that don’t have the capacity or opportunity to make a life changing career move because they either cannot ignore their present obligations or do not have the capacity to jump into a technologically intense learning program are / will find themselves without a paycheck, and in such numbers, it should scare the *bleep* out of us. The new world order looks for cost cutting at all levels in all fields because the market economy’s ‘maximization of profit’ demands a marginally larger bottom line to hold shareholders to stay put. This isn’t stuff I am making up and it’s not just a catch phrase, it’s the new normal.

The frightening reality is that these tent cities that we see today are just the tip of the iceberg. They are just the beginning.
We need to start thinking about dealing with homeless numbers in the thousands not the infinitesimally small numbers we see now.

OK, apocalyptic rant over. But still food for thought no?
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Jan 29th, 2019, 9:02 pm

I see an easy solution..
Which the landowner may not like. .
Go in and cut down most of the trees, or all of them... nowhere to hand clothesline , tarps , hammocks, etc..

I doubt they will set up camp in an open area with no cover and low stumps all over the place...
It's all gonna grow back soon anyway...
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Jan 29th, 2019, 9:04 pm

A good faller or slasher, could probably knock down 2 acres or more In a day...
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby WalterWhite » Jan 29th, 2019, 9:11 pm

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:A good caller or slasher, could probably knock down 2 acres or more In a day...


I’m sure given the current trend come summer, a lot - if not all of it, will likely burn...
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Re: Encampment frustrates local landowner

Postby Bpeep » Jan 29th, 2019, 9:11 pm

Society should not make it easy for anyone to be homeless.
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